Re: [ccp4bb] To get the crystal faster...

2009-10-13 Thread Ho Leung Ng
I can't remember if someone has already suggested this. You can dissolve some of your crystals and ask your favorite mass spec. lab to check if your protein has been oxidized, proteolyzed, etc. ho Confometrx

Re: [ccp4bb] To get the crystal faster...

2009-10-13 Thread Chavas Leo
Dear James -- One possible issue you might have as well is oxidation. Your sample might need to be in a different step... and would therefore require some time before getting to this step. I personally noticed (in few cases) that when my crystals took time to grow, it was either because t

Re: [ccp4bb] To get the crystal faster...

2009-10-11 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Sometimes it is better that it takes time for crystals to appear. Remember that crystallisation is a purification procedure. A way to decrease the speed of crystallisation is to use Dunlop's and Haze's drop dilution method (K. V. Dunlop & B. Hazes (2003). When less is more: a more efficient vap

Re: [ccp4bb] To get the crystal faster...

2009-10-11 Thread Jürgen Bosch
Hi James, have you tried limited proteolysis on your protein and see if you can identify a stable fragment. Then re-clone and re-crystallize your protein. Or a very stupid suggestion, how does your size exclusion peak look like ? What you're not running your protein over a SEC to polish i

Re: [ccp4bb] To get the crystal faster...

2009-10-11 Thread William Scott
I've always found it is a much more effective and delightful use of my time to mope sullenly in my office, communicate with my family members and colleagues while restricting my working vocabulary to monosyllabic grunts, or pensively pace the halls, inflicting my abject misery upon hapless passers-

Re: [ccp4bb] To get the crystal faster...

2009-10-11 Thread Mark J. van Raaij
depending on the importance of the project, I would be tempted to just wait for the crystals to grow, and in the meantime: - work on another project - start a new project - write a grant application, a paper, a review... or a combination of the above. Mark Quoting William Scott : Dear James:

Re: [ccp4bb] To get the crystal faster...

2009-10-11 Thread William G. Scott
It will help more if we send it to James ;) On Oct 11, 2009, at 9:15 AM, gauri misra wrote: Dear James, As there are indications of protein degradation that have been suggested in previous postings, i think adding some protease inhibitors right at the stage of purification may provide so

Re: [ccp4bb] To get the crystal faster...

2009-10-11 Thread William Scott
Dear James: It is extremely hard to make generalizations, but if it takes months for crystals to appear, the following questions are worth asking: 1. Is the actual concentration of macromolecule, precipitating agent, etc required for crystallization higher than what you are using? A closed vapor

Re: [ccp4bb] To get the crystal faster...

2009-10-11 Thread Paula Salgado
Dear James What size are your drops? If it takes that long for crystals to grow, it is very likely that something happens to the protein that stopped nucleation previously... it generally means some form of protein degradation. I would start by investigating exactly what you have on the crystals. I

[ccp4bb] To get the crystal faster...

2009-10-11 Thread james09 pruza
Dear crystallographers, Sorry for the non-ccp4 query. I am new to this field and need some suggestions. My question is, why some protein takes longer time to crystallize, say 6-8 months, and it is the only condition to get the crystals.? What are the ways to get the crystals faster. The crystal a