Re: [ccp4bb] Temperature factor discrepancy

2008-12-04 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Hi Wim, I think that the main question I would ask is how you calculate the Wilson B factor with 3.0-3.5 A data ... We have done a rather big study of about 12,000 structures and below 2.5 A, how you calculate the B can result to major discrepancies. There is hardly a line to get the gradient

Re: [ccp4bb] Temperature factor discrepancy

2008-12-03 Thread Wim Burmeister
I should have given the precision that the problem remains unaffected by a change of the resolution range (even if I use for example only 4.5 to 3 A resolution). I am not using TLS and the data are quite isotropic. Rcryst values are as expected for such a structure. Anopther 3.5 A dataset does

Re: [ccp4bb] Temperature factor discrepancy

2008-12-03 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Hi, another possibility to avoid the problems Dirk is mentioning: mask the beamstop correctly during data processing. Usually, each data processing package has some tools for doing this (and sometimes even an automatic procedure might actually work ... but I wouldn't rely on it without checking).

Re: [ccp4bb] Temperature factor discrepancy

2008-12-03 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
This reminds me of a potential problem with low resolution data that you might have: if any strong reflection (or a couple of them) is only partially measured, because it is in the half-shadow of the beamstop, then the measured intensity is too small, which in turn results in a too low over

Re: [ccp4bb] Temperature factor discrepancy

2008-12-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Then I think it is the problem of fitting the TF parameters into low resolution data. REFMAC tries to use the lowest ( < 9A) data to get the solvent B factor and then after applying that correction to get an overall B. Many Wilson plot programs only use the data from 4A out, with the belief that

Re: [ccp4bb] Temperature factor discrepancy

2008-12-03 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Wim, I suppose that the solvent content would influence the Wilson plot and also the distribution of atoms in the unit cell, I would not be too alarmed about the discrepancy. Interestingly, the Wilson plot of the Fcalc values is about 60 A2 as for Fobs in the output dataset. As far as

Re: [ccp4bb] Temperature factor discrepancy

2008-12-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Wim Burmeister wrote: Dear all, I have a 3 A structure refined with REFMAC which gives consistently average atomic B-factors of 40 A2, whereas the B factor from a Wilson plot is about 60 A2. Is there any explanation for such a discrepancy? There are no obvious problems: No twinning, spacegrou

[ccp4bb] Temperature factor discrepancy

2008-12-02 Thread Wim Burmeister
Dear all, I have a 3 A structure refined with REFMAC which gives consistently average atomic B-factors of 40 A2, whereas the B factor from a Wilson plot is about 60 A2. Is there any explanation for such a discrepancy? There are no obvious problems: No twinning, spacegroup P21 with two molecule