Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin)

2024-10-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
me from. Also don't if you do. >> - Don't overparameterise your TLS model, apply Occam's razor, and test >> for overfitting. >> - You can check your TLS model with tools like Parvati. Perhaps having >> more validation tools would be nice. >> >> Cheer

Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin)

2024-10-30 Thread Alexandre Ourjoumtsev
Dear all, trying to be more constructive in this particular discussion concerning TLS, I remind you an article especially devoted to a question if the applied TLS model and its results are physically meaningful and, if not (indeed, in very many cases), how to make them such (if possible) or to

Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin)

2024-10-30 Thread Italo Carugo Oliviero
iginal Message- > > From: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of Gerlind > > Sulzenbacher > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 17:08 > > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin) > > > > Dear Italo, &

Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin)

2024-10-30 Thread Italo Carugo Oliviero
Dear Pavel, thanks for this information. Nevertheless, I believe that the vast majority of people employed in macromolecular crystallography laboratories (group leaders, post-docs, PhDs, and master students) are unable to read and comprehend these articles due to their extremely superficial kno

Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin)

2024-10-30 Thread Italo Carugo Oliviero
7:00:41 AM > *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is > Latin) > > > Dear Pavel, > > > thanks for this information. > > > Nevertheless, I believe that the vast majority of people employed in > macromol

Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin)

2024-10-29 Thread Pavel Afonine
Dear list members, the validation of TLS parameters used and refined for a particular model of a crystal structure was, at one point, the subject of thorough research, for example: >From deep TLS validation to ensembles of atomic models built from elemental motions. II. Analysis of TLS refinement

Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin)

2024-10-29 Thread a . perrakis
Dear all, As I somehow identify with the mention of "some ayatollahs” who perhaps underwent several rounds of meticulous refinement of demeanor, I fail to see any wrong to what Oliviero wrote. Oliviero, explains that a third party proclaimed that "unfortunately, the crystallographic programs be

Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin)

2024-10-29 Thread Robbie Joosten
-Original Message- > From: CCP4 bulletin board On Behalf Of Gerlind > Sulzenbacher > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2024 17:08 > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin) > > Dear Italo, > > It seems to

Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin)

2024-10-29 Thread Gerlind Sulzenbacher
Dear Italo, It seems to me that the ccp4bb has always been a very gentle and empathic platform of exchange of ideas and offering a great deal of help to non-experts, "ignorants" as your friend calls them. I remember that in the late 90thies there were some ayatollahs, which have become gentl

Re: [ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin)

2024-10-29 Thread Doriano Lamba
Dear Oliviero, many thanks for your timely comment. I cannot agree more! Happy retirement! With all good wishes Doriano Il 2024-10-29 16:38 Italo Carugo Oliviero ha scritto: In a few months, I will retire, because my brain thinks it is still young but the rest of the body disagrees and think

[ccp4bb] Structures refined ad mentula canis (this is Latin)

2024-10-29 Thread Italo Carugo Oliviero
In a few months, I will retire, because my brain thinks it is still young but the rest of the body disagrees and thinks the brain is slightly senile. Of course, I will miss the protein structures very much, so unpredictable in their insolent beauty. I have devoted several years of my life to the