Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-12 Thread Paul Adams
Dear George, you are correct - this kind of refinement only makes sense if F+ and F- are kept unmerged. The refinement of f'/f'' is performed with the FFT (from what I recall - Ralf can confirm or deny). At the very least, structure factors from non-anomalous atoms are calculated using the F

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-12 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Dear Paul, That implies that phenix refine (like SHELXL, but unlike REFMAC) can refine against data for which I+ and I- (or F+ and F-) have not been merged. An attempt to refine f" against Friedel merged data would be very poorly determined. Am I right in guessing that phenix refine can only d

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-11 Thread Paul Adams
Hi Ethan, if you want you can specify and refine both f' and f'' for any user selected atoms in phenix.refine: http://www.phenix-online.org/download/ Cheers, Paul On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Ethan A Merritt wrote: On Saturday 11 August 2007 21:41, Miller, Mitchell D.

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-11 Thread Ethan A Merritt
of the given atom and use f' part only" Thanks, Ethan > > Regards, > -Mitch > > -Original Message- > From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ethan Merritt > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:20 AM > To:

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-11 Thread Miller, Mitchell D.
o:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ethan Merritt Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:20 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data On Friday 10 August 2007 04:53, Clemens Vonrhein wrote: > It should be trivial to put this into REFMAC too > (Garib!): just

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-10 Thread Sanishvili, Ruslan
stead? Cheers, N. -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Ethan Merritt Sent: Fri 8/10/2007 11:20 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data On Friday 10 August 2007 04:53, Clemens Vonrhein wrote: > It should be trivial to

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-10 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Friday 10 August 2007 04:53, Clemens Vonrhein wrote: > It should be trivial to put this into REFMAC too > (Garib!): just add cards like > > FPRIme > > so that a user can do > > FPRIme Se -4.5 > > REFMAC then corrects C by the difference f'(CuKa)-(-4.5) (after > reading the f'(CuKa) fro

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-10 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Actually, this isn't quite right yet - since the tabulated values in atomsf.lib are for f0: so you just need to add f' to C (no need to adapt it for the value at CuKa). Thanks to Claus Flensburg for pointing that out to me. Clemens On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 12:53:05PM +0100, Clemens Vonrhein wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-10 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 12:32:21PM +0100, Eleanor Dodson wrote: > Sorry - Clemens is right. > > Eleanor Hi Eleanor, phew - I was starting to wonder that what I put into (auto)BUSTER wasn't right. It should be trivial to put this into REFMAC too (Garib!): just add cards like FPRIme so that

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-10 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Hi Eleanor, On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 10:27:16AM +0100, Eleanor Dodson wrote: > If you have significant anomalous scatterering and are using you > need to modify the scattering factor for that atom appropriately. > > Here is an extract from $CLIBD/atomsf.lib > Se >34342

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
ping sun wrote: Thanks for your answer. I guess I did not make it clear. I used the data file for refinement which is also used for phasing (peak_anomalous.hkl). Traditionally, people will reprocess the same set of data for refinement (rescale it in hkl2000 without using the option "anomalous

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-09 Thread ping sun
Thanks for your answer. I guess I did not make it clear. I used the data file for refinement which is also used for phasing (peak_anomalous.hkl). Traditionally, people will reprocess the same set of data for refinement (rescale it in hkl2000 without using the option "anomalous", to yield the non_a

[ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-09 Thread ping sun
Dear All. Is there any disadvantage of using the anomalous data set to do refinement? I recently solved a structure using Se-SAD. The anomalous data set was used in refinement with CNS. It gives decent result. Because traditionaly, after phasing we will use the nonanomalous data set in refineme

[ccp4bb] SAD: Refine against anomalous data

2007-08-09 Thread ping sun
Dear All. Is there any disadvantage of using the anomalous data set to do refinement? I recently solved a structure using Se-SAD. The anomalous data set was used in refinement with CNS. It gives decent result. Because traditionaly, after phasing we will use the nonanomalous data set in refinemen