> purposes.
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>> Why no
, 2010 7:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Rules of thumb (was diverging Rcryst and Rfree)
Feel free to use it as you wish.
--
DUFF, Anthony wrote:
> I reckon you could share hypothetical review comments for educational
> purposes.
>
>
> -Original Mess
ding global parameterizations you have to
>>> apply more sophisticated test such as Ethan pointed out (HR tests)
>>> or Ian uses (LL-tests). And once you know how to do that, you do not
>>> need any rules of thumb anyhow.
>>>
>>> So I opt for a fo
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Of
Robbie
Joosten
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:29 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] Rules of thumb (was diverging Rcryst and Rfree)
Dear Anthony,
That is an excellent question! I believe there are quite a lot of
'rules of
thumb'
I do not know if that's really cynical: I've had the case of a referee
recommending manuscript rejection because the title of the manuscript
was not appropriate. The editor followed the advice of the referee. A
proper refereeing job would have been to suggest that the authors change
the title o
d [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
Robbie
Joosten
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Subject: [ccp4bb] Rules of thumb (was diverging Rcryst and Rfree)
Dear Anthony,
That is an excellent question! I believe there are quite a lot of
'rules of
thumb
: Re: [ccp4bb] Rules of thumb (was diverging Rcryst and Rfree)
What about the possibility of double-blind review? I have actually wondered
why the reviewers should be given the author info--does that determine the
quality of the work? Am I missing some obvious reason why reviewers should
know who
It's fun to watch my innocent little comment unfold into a pandemonium of
email :) That's why i love this mailing list.
Seriously though, there seems to be two salient things said by many people
in many different ways:
1. it's a good idea to look at the model in detail, and pay attention to
struc
What about the possibility of double-blind review? I have actually
wondered why the reviewers should be given the author info--does that
determine the quality of the work? Am I missing some obvious reason
why reviewers should know who the authors are?
I've always felt (and advocated long time ag
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>>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:13:03 -0700
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>>Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)" )
>>Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Rules of thumb (wa
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>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:13:03 -0700
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>Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Rules of thumb (was diverging Rcryst and Rfree)
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>
>> Surely the "best"
a toast to
> evidence and plausibility.
>
> And, as Gerard B said in other words so nicely:
>
> Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.
>
> BR
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
> Robbie Joosten
> Sent: T
Sorry I mean coordinates AND data of course.
Again, if every technically competent reviewer asks- if deemed necessary-
for coordinates and data and declines review if they are refused, that might
change.
-Nat
Ø What's to prevent your closest competitor from downloading the structure
and using it to solve and refine his or her own data?
Integrity perhaps? Ahh stupid me that is a verboten word. My original
title of the recent JApplCryst commentary was a nice alliteration -
Scientific inquiry, in
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Ed Pozharski wrote:
> One can also release structure in the PDB prior to submission - I
> believe the HPUB option is rarely (if ever) justified.
>
What's to prevent your closest competitor from downloading the structure and
using it to solve and refine his or her
editor, that is for sure.
BR
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, MARK JOHAN
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Rules of thumb (was diverging Rcryst and Rfree)
perhaps we should campaign for
han pointed out (HR tests) or Ian uses
> >> (LL-tests). And once you know how to do that, you do not need any
> rules of
> >> thumb anyhow.
> >>
> >> So I opt for a formal burial of these rules of thumb and a toast to
> evidence
> >> and plausibility.
&g
formal burial of these rules of thumb and a toast to evidence
>> and plausibility.
>>
>> And, as Gerard B said in other words so nicely:
>>
>> Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.
>>
>> BR
>>
>> -Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:29 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] Rules of thumb (was diverging Rcryst and Rfree)
Dear Anthony,
That is an excellent question! I believe there are quite a lot of
'rules of
thumb' going aroun
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Subject: [ccp4bb] Rules of thumb (was diverging Rcryst and Rfree)
Dear Anthony,
That is an excellent question! I believe there are quite a lot of 'rules of
thumb' goi
Regarding the riding hydrogens:
They are obviously not visible, but your protein in solution is also not
visible but still has those weird riding hydrogens:-)
Use them, they are there. And ther was a recent compendium of neutron
scattering in one of our favorite journals if you really want to see
Of Robbie
Joosten
Sent: Wednesday, 27 October 2010 4:29 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] Rules of thumb (was diverging Rcryst and Rfree)
Dear Anthony,
That is an excellent question! I believe there are quite a lot of 'rules of
thumb' going around. Some of them seem to le
Dear Anthony,
That is an excellent question! I believe there are quite a lot of 'rules of
thumb' going around. Some of them seem to lead to very dogmatic thinking and
have caused (refereeing) trouble for good structures and lack of trouble for
bad structures. A lot of them were discussed at the
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