Re: [ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge - correction

2010-01-24 Thread Edward A. Berry
Edward A. Berry wrote: I'm not familiar with this output (XDS?) but I would guess Rw-lin (not Rw-pim or rim, although those are theoretically more useful) is the R-factor to use for Rsym No- the Rw values are weigted averages. Not fair to cite as Rsym. Sorry for the unhelpful and misleading post

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge

2010-01-21 Thread Soisson, Stephen M
: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:12 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge I doubt there ever was a universal convention. When I was young, Rsym was calculated from the symmetry related reflections on a single film. With precession photography there could be a lot of them

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge

2010-01-21 Thread Edward A. Berry
I'm not familiar with this output (XDS?) but I would guess Rw-lin (not Rw-pim or rim, although those are theoretically more useful) is the R-factor to use for Rsym (or Rmerge if you are merging datasets previously reduced from multiple crystals). I think "observed" means, out of all the spots that

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge

2010-01-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
I doubt there ever was a universal convention. When I was young, Rsym was calculated from the symmetry related reflections on a single film. With precession photography there could be a lot of them, but even the oscillation films often had many mates because the crystal was aligned with a symm

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge

2010-01-21 Thread Bart Hazes
For what it's worth, I've been told that Rmerge was used originally, in the pre-cryo few images per crystal age, to indicate the R-factor for merging data collected from multiple crystals. Isym is calculated identical but refers to data collected from a single crystal. To be honest I'm not sur

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge

2010-01-21 Thread Phil Evans
I've never been able to discover any difference between Rsym & Rmerge Phil On 21 Jan 2010, at 18:34, james09 pruza wrote: > Dear All CCP4bbers, > > Please help me in finding *R-sym I *(observed), *R-merge I*(obseved), *R-Free > Error i*n the data provided below. If I am not wrong, Can anyone sug

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge

2010-01-21 Thread Frederic VELLIEUX
Rsym. Fred. > Message du 21/01/10 19:40 > De : "james09 pruza" > A : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Copie à : > Objet : [ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge > > Dear All CCP4bbers, > > Please help me in finding *R-sym I *(observed), *R-merge I*(obseved), *R-Free > Er

[ccp4bb] R-sym and R-merge

2010-01-21 Thread james09 pruza
Dear All CCP4bbers, Please help me in finding *R-sym I *(observed), *R-merge I*(obseved), *R-Free Error i*n the data provided below. If I am not wrong, Can anyone suggest me the difference between R-sym and R-merge? Thanks in advance for the help. James* * R-values of internal consistency : ==