My guess is that if stereo were as easily and conveniently available as
a MacBook Pro in a coffee shop (where I'm writing this email) people
would probably use it more. That means no ginormous CTRs, no dimming
the lights, no walking over to the molecular visualization center for
checking a bit
On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:21 PM, Engin Ozkan wrote:
As a grad student we had access to stereo, I did not use it much. I
have to say I do not know why new students would be swayed just by
them. As a young grad student, I was amazed by chemistry in action
(and I still am), and did not need ste
Ironically as this stereo discussion ensues, it seems NVidia is
pushing 3d glasses once again (http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/09/17/1530202.shtml
) . Those 120Hz LCD's are welcome reprieve from the bulky SGI
monitors in our x-ray core now.
More on topic, however, as a 'newer' generation (
An advantage with stereo viewing is that you can increase the slab in
a crowed active site and still make sense of it. In my experiance,
valuable for understanding structure function relationships in
flexible proteins.
Paula Lario
On 17-Sep-08, at 8:21 PM, Engin Ozkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From another member of the new generation...
I could not agree more with Scott. Stereo is not essential, my lab of
thirteen crystallographers does not even have the capability, and noone
has ever asked for it (including our older PI). And I have refined and
built in one year one 3.9 A and
if you have bad/poor experimental phases and you are building de novo/
from scratch by hand,
in my opinion stereo is very handy and makes map interpretation much
easier.
-tommi
On Sep 17, 2008, at 6:02 PM, Steve Lane wrote:
Warren et al.:
The following is based largely on a survey conducte
Lutz:
I would like to second your point about people (students or otherwise)
seeing a 3D structure. We semi-frequently have high-school students come
through the lab, and the thing that always impresses them the most is
being able to rotate a 3D represenation of a molecule, especially when
they u
Dear all,
following this discussion and enjoying AGAIN 3D on a Mac - at least
in Pymol -, I'd like to add my two cent opinion.
Whether or not stereo is important in research might be a matter of
debate, true! But, we are focussing on membrane proteins and normally
these structures are at
Hi Nat:
On Sep 17, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Nathaniel Echols wrote:
those of us who came of age (technologically speaking) in an era of
ubiquitous bright, high-contrast (and increasingly massive) LCD
screens
can't bear to look at a CRT display any more.
The day I stopped using CRTs in the presen
My use goes back to Evans and Sutherland workstations, FRODO, SGI's with
O, Duncan's graphics program suite, and COOT, on multiple platforms.
I don't use dials at all, and multiple uses with a three-button mouse are
far more favorable.
I still prefer O to COOT for a number of reasons. The main re
>
> I find that depth-cue/fog is a sufficient cue for me to determine the
> "3-dimensionality" of what I am viewing on my 2-dimensional monitor,
> and I find that most 3D systems tend to give me a headache long before
> I would get one without them.
>
Even when the depth-cue/fog isn't enough, simp
Just to put my two cents in on this as I would fall into that new generation
so to speak:
I started out with the SGI and linux systems with stereo, O, and dials about
eight years ago. Never used the dials and rarely seen anyone else use
them. Over the past few years I have transition to coot, pc
Dear Steve,
despite your survey/perception, bottom line is, comes paper writing
time, nothing beats stereo viewing of the molecules or the packing of
them in the crystal lattice: facts become apparent that are otherwise
easily overseen in two dimensions!
Stereo-free macromolecular crystallog
-standard') DNA in electron density. Any suggestions?
Mark
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From: Patrick Loll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Sent: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 6:01 am
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Progresss with Stereo 3D under Mac OS X Leopard
People's feel
Very well phrased Steve, and I do agree - however stereo is helpful
e.g. looking at binding pockets etc.
I think it depends very much on your workflow what you are actually
doing if you really need lots of stereo. In my case I run everything
on my MacbookPro but I occasionally walk over to ou
Warren et al.:
The following is based largely on a survey conducted here about 6 months
ago (the survey questions are at the bottom of this msg).
Among the "older" generation of PIs, there is a strong perception that
stereo and SGI dials are very important to users. This perception is not
at all
Not wishing to pooh-pooh attempts to get Apple to right their wrongs
(I am an Apple user myself) but I get along perfectly well without
stereo, thank you very much.
I find that depth-cue/fog is a sufficient cue for me to determine the
"3-dimensionality" of what I am viewing on my 2-dimensional moni
On Sep 16, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Warren DeLano wrote:
> Also, do crystallographers still consider stereo 3D to be a
> high-priority or must-have feature in a graphics workstation?
Yes, I do. Really, how can you do without?
As for LCD stereo: yes, please!
On Sep 16, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Warren DeLano wrote:
Also, do crystallographers still consider stereo 3D to be a
high-priority or must-have feature in a graphics workstation?
Hi Warren:
I'd put lack of stereo 3D in the same categories as lack of grant
support or involuntary celibacy.
I'm st
People's feelings about using stereo seem to be highly idiosyncratic,
but for many of us who are pro-stereo, the preference is VERY STRONG.
Pat
On Sep 16, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Warren DeLano wrote:
CCP4bb,
Some graphics news: Full operating-system support for stereo 3D
has at
last been resto
Hi Warren & CCP4ers,
first of all, it is great that at least one application, MacPyMOL,
works again in stereo under Leopard! It is good if developers like you
and users like us tell Apple how important a working stereo 3D is.
Personally, I consider stereo 3D as VERY important and would like t
CCP4bb,
Some graphics news: Full operating-system support for stereo 3D has at
last been restored on Mac OS X Leopard, but NOT in Leopard's X11 just
yet (the Xquartz open-source community will hopefully soon remedy
this...).
While today's fix is great for native Mac OpenGL applications like
MacP
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