Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-25 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
gt;>> map would appear around these atoms at 0.7 sigma at >>>>>>>>> the same position where the atoms are present. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you Regards Kavya >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>&

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-25 Thread Tim Gruene
;>> Hi Kavya, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I understand you correctly (from title and >>>>>>>>> text), you meant your negative FoFc was around your >>>>>>>>> ligand, is that right? I wonder if this

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-25 Thread Antony Oliver
t; If I understand you correctly (from title and text), you meant >>>>>>> your negative FoFc was around your ligand, is that right? I >>>>>>> wonder if this is a case in which the ligand has an occupancy >>>>>>> below 1, but was modeled as 1, s

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-25 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
compensate that, which results in >>>>>> the electron density bleeding into nearby space where there >>>>>> should not be so much of it. If you want to test this >>>>>> hypothesis, one thing you can try is to set the occupancy to >>>>>&g

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-25 Thread Antony Oliver
t;> should not be so much of it. If you want to test this >>>>> hypothesis, one thing you can try is to set the occupancy to >>>>> 0.25, 0.5,0.75 and so on, and refine a few cycles to see what >>>>> happens to the maps. Also, what's the B factor of the ligand, >>>>&

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-25 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
27;s the B of the nearby protein atoms? The difference >>>> between them can also give you some hint for guessing the >>>> ligand's occupancy. Some refinement programs(phenix.refine and >>>> shelx) can also let you refine the ligand's occupancy. >>>

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-25 Thread Tim Gruene
nix.refine and >>> shelx) can also let you refine the ligand's occupancy. >>> >>> As to the "missing" atoms, that could be caused by alternative >>> conformations of the ligand - assuming you have already done a >>> thorough refinement. >&

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-24 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
gt;> programs(phenix.refine and shelx) can also let you refine the ligand's >> occupancy. >> >> As to the "missing" atoms, that could be caused by alternative >> conformations >> of the ligand - assuming you have already done a thorough refinement. &g

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-24 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
> > As to the "missing" atoms, that could be caused by alternative > conformations > of the ligand - assuming you have already done a thorough refinement. > > Zhijie > > ------ > From: "Kavyashree Manjunath"

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-24 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:12 PM > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand > > Sir, > > I used model without ligand for MR. This happens only for some atoms not > for all. So should I reduce the occupancy for all atoms? I did use > occupancy ref

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-24 Thread Zhijie Li
the "missing" atoms, that could be caused by alternative conformations of the ligand - assuming you have already done a thorough refinement. Zhijie -- From: "Kavyashree Manjunath" Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 12:50 PM To: Subje

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-24 Thread Debasish Chattopadhyay
Manjunath Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:12 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand Sir, I used model without ligand for MR. This happens only for some atoms not for all. So should I reduce the occupancy for all atoms? I did use occupancy refine it showed

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-24 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
Sir, I used model without ligand for MR. This happens only for some atoms not for all. So should I reduce the occupancy for all atoms? I did use occupancy refine it showed different occupancy like 0.8, 0.6 for two different atoms. I mean for the same ligand it shows occupancy of 1 for one atom and

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-24 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
Sir, I used model without ligand for MR. This happens only for some atoms not for all. So should I reduce the occupancy for all atoms? I did use occupancy refine it showed different occupancy like 0.8, 0.6 for two different atoms. Thank you Regards Kavya > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Ha

Re: [ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-24 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Kavya, I assume that you carried out molecular replacement without the ligand in the search model (otherwise you are probably looking at model bias). In that case the ligand most likely has reduced occupancy. You can either manually set all atoms

[ccp4bb] Negative FoFc around ligand

2013-05-24 Thread Kavyashree Manjunath
Dear users, I am using refmac 5.7.0029 for refining a structure (resolution 2.2 Ang) bound to 2 ligands. After MR There is a very clear density of ligands but after refinement, I get negative fofc map near one of the ligand upto 5 sigma. However its 2fofc map covers the whole ligand. Also for the