Re: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-13 Thread James Holton
I believe the OP was asking how to best make an "element density map" where the map value is proportional to the occupancy of not just any anomalous scatterer, but a specific element of interest. For example, suppose you have Zn and Ni in your protein, but you are not sure which atom is which. If

Re: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-07 Thread George M. Sheldrick
I forgot to say in my email about the program AnoDe that of course it also uses the FA values from the SHELXC output file name_fa.hkl as the amplitudes for the 'heavy atom map' with phases (native-alpha). This procedure is remarkably simple and effective. George On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 09:46:37A

Re: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-07 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Dear Jacob, Andrea Thorn and I will be demonstrating such a program (called AnoDe) at the Software Fayre at the IUCr Meeting in Madrid and it is already available from my beta-test site on email request. AnoDe requires only two input files: a PDB file of the refined structure and the name_fa.hkl f

Re: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-06 Thread Pete Meyer
It'll depend on your data, but you'd probably be better off using the inflection (rather than peak) and remote datasets for dispersive difference maps. This signal is usually fairly weak to begin with, and not using the infection datasets weakens it further. Pete FWIW - my understanding is

Re: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There are tools out there that calculate such a map. REVISE is one - I guess i is in the list of CCP4 programs. i often do both maps independently and look at them for common peaks The trouble is that dispersive differences are often less reliable than the anomalous ones.. Eleanor 07/06/20

Re: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-06 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:36:20 am Jacob Keller wrote: > > That would be an approximation of the map it seems you actually want, > > which would use the F_A amplitude terms from MAD analysis together > > with your current model phases rather than the MAD phase estimates. > > You could, for exa

Re: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-06 Thread Jacob Keller
> That would be an approximation of the map it seems you actually want, > which would use the F_A amplitude terms from MAD analysis together > with your current model phases rather than the MAD phase estimates. > You could, for example, use CAD to merge the FA column output by > hkl2map with the ph

Re: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-06 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday, July 06, 2011 09:46:14 am Jacob Keller wrote: > Dear Crystallographers, > > it seems to me that for clearly identifying/characterising anomalous > scatterers for a solved structure, one could make a map using two > datasets: one at the f" peak, one low energy remote. That would be

Re: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-06 Thread Murray, James W
4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Jacob Keller [j-kell...@fsm.northwestern.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:46 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases Dear Crystallographers, it seems to me that f

[ccp4bb] Map Using Both Bijvoet and Dispersive Differences with Model Phases

2011-07-06 Thread Jacob Keller
Dear Crystallographers, it seems to me that for clearly identifying/characterising anomalous scatterers for a solved structure, one could make a map using two datasets: one at the f" peak, one low energy remote. One would then use the signal both from the Bijvoet differences in the peak dataset pl