Re: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure

2008-04-14 Thread Jacqui Gulbis
Dear Jim, 3.45 Angstrom is a perfectly normal resolution for a structure mediated by 'wobbly' detergent / lipid contacts. In this type of crystal the quality of the maps is the best indicator of intrinsic protein order. Send some density (in stereoview) to the journal as supplementary dat

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure

2008-04-11 Thread Robert Keenan
presenting functional data that support the structural model goes a long way in these cases, obviously... bob -- Robert Keenan Assistant Professor Dept. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology GCIS W238 University of Chicago 929 East 57th St

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure

2008-04-11 Thread Mischa Machius
If the reviewers are complaining, then one may have to do a better job in conveying the message. It often helps to add some preemptive phrases to the text, including references to well respected studies at similar resolutions where valid conclusions could be drawn. The other possibility is,

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure

2008-04-11 Thread William Scott
On Apr 11, 2008, at 3:04 AM, Jim Naismith wrote: However, does anyone know how to convince editors and non- xtallographers that 3.45A is valid? You have to introduce them to the resolution vs. biological interest trade-off matrix, and how it ought to be diagonaliz(s)ed. Bill

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure

2008-04-11 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
ject: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure Dear All, I have an interesting problem, we have a 3.45A structure of a membrane protein. We have just been told that the structure is "too low resolution to be considered as the uncertainty is too high". We use the structure to identify

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure

2008-04-11 Thread Kevin P Madauss
This appears to be the unfortunate, but inevitable result of the membrane protein structure retractions from 2007. Without a doubt, there needs to be at least one crystallographer reviewing the structures for structure papers, as any crystallographer would be comfortable with the claims that J

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure

2008-04-11 Thread Van Den Berg, Bert
board on behalf of Jim Naismith Sent: Fri 4/11/2008 6:04 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure Dear All, I have an interesting problem, we have a 3.45A structure of a membrane protein. We have just been told that the structure is "too low resolution

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure

2008-04-11 Thread Ramaswamy Subramanian
Dear Jim, The funny part is that the same journals will publish NMR structures. In terms of data/parameter ratio or in terms of comparing quality (Battacharya, Tejero and Montelione, Proteins:structure function genetics 66:778-795), the good NMR structures are about 2.5A resolution and most NMR

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure

2008-04-11 Thread Rob Meijers
Dear Jim, I guess you entered the ABC transporter zone. You say you use the structure to show the movement of helices. One important point is whether this structure is based on a molecular replacement solution, or it was built from experimental phases. There are numerous cases where adding some

Re: [ccp4bb] Low resol structure

2008-04-11 Thread PhilEvans
The point _ought_ to be the general scientific argument, "does the experimental evidence support the conclusions made?" The questions that can be asked & answered will depend on the resolution among many other things EM blobs seem to be publishable :-) Phil On 11 Apr 2008, at 11:04, Jim

[ccp4bb] Low resol structure

2008-04-11 Thread Jim Naismith
Dear All, I have an interesting problem, we have a 3.45A structure of a membrane protein. We have just been told that the structure is "too low resolution to be considered as the uncertainty is too high". We use the structure to identify helices which have moved. Is there a blanke