Re: [ccp4bb] Intractable outliers in wwPDB validation report

2023-09-25 Thread Nitin Kulhar
Hello everyone. Many thanks for the thoughts on the matter. Dear Dr Abhinav You can try to run a simulated annealing in CNS and then try to refine that > model and see if that solves the problem. This would most likely help in > getting rid of the overfitting problems. > I have trouble installin

Re: [ccp4bb] Intractable outliers in wwPDB validation report

2023-09-25 Thread Jon Cooper
Hello, unless it's changed over the last couple of years, the pdb rightly used to let you deposit a structure with outliers, hopefully not too many, though ;-0 I take it the stalling you reported probably comes from whoever is looking over your shoulder. Best wishes, Jon Cooper. jon.b.coo...@pr

Re: [ccp4bb] Intractable outliers in wwPDB validation report

2023-09-25 Thread Harry Powell
Hi I think It may be worthwhile submitting your model and data to PDB-REDO to see if (inter alia) you have applied any unconscious bias to your building that has resulted in these outliers, or over- or under-interpreted the data. It’s quick and easy to submit and requires remarkably little effo

Re: [ccp4bb] Intractable outliers in wwPDB validation report

2023-09-24 Thread Guillaume Gaullier
A good example of such expected outliers can be found in structures of nucleosomes: the validation report always flags almost all DNA bases as geometry outliers. But we have no end of evidence that these structures are correct: for instance, the many ensemble and single-molecule FRET studies of

Re: [ccp4bb] Intractable outliers in wwPDB validation report

2023-09-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - some outliers are infix able! There are various reasons - floppy residues like arg or lys In multiple positions; strain due to protein folding constraints, etc. I use the validation report to check for obvious modelling errors but if you can’t find any, you have to just submit the results o

[ccp4bb] Intractable outliers in wwPDB validation report

2023-09-22 Thread Nitin Kulhar
Dear all We have refined (Refmac5) a crystallographic structure with Rw/Rf values 0.19/0.22 (Resln 2.67). However, the deposition has stalled on account of the wwPDB's preliminary validation report, which indicates map/model and geometry issues, with each criterion containing a few instances. We t