Re: [ccp4bb] Definition of salt bridge

2008-10-16 Thread Tommi Kajander
I am not sure where this was getting at, but i would just point out to you that continuum electrostatics (that you refer to) tend to overestimate the "desolvation" penalties (that is if you assume the whole protein interior has a dielectric of 2-4. while there may be other benefits for the

Re: [ccp4bb] Definition of salt bridge

2008-10-16 Thread Ibrahim Moustafa
Hi Nader, By significant, I mean those interactions that withstand the normal structural fluctuations of the structure. In MD simulation, two ion-pairs at a distance of 8 A won't stay for long and will disappear early during the simulation. So, they cannot be considered as non-bonded interactions

Re: [ccp4bb] Definition of salt bridge

2008-10-16 Thread Jayashankar
* Dear Francisco, 1.Transfer of a salt bridge from water to nonpolar environment costs ~10 - 16 kcal/mol (B. Honig and W. L. Hubell, 1984, PNAS 81, 5412-5416). 2.The energy penalty paid due to the desolvation of the charged residues may not be recovered by favorable interaction among the charged

Re: [ccp4bb] Definition of salt bridge

2008-10-16 Thread Nadir T. Mrabet
The problem lies with your definition of "significant". If it is non null, then any interaction is significant (dual-pan balance concept). Coulomb's energy is a function of 1/r^2, therefore at 8 Angs, it is still 15% of Emax. Even H-bonds are sometimes considered relevant up to 5 Angs. Nadir M

Re: [ccp4bb] Definition of salt bridge

2008-10-16 Thread Ibrahim Moustafa
Yes, it is electrostatic interaction. But when searching for a salt-bridge in a protein structure it won't be considered a significant non-bonded interactions at 8 A distance. Also, the electrostatic interaction extends beyond 8 A. For a significant interaction the distance need to be < 8A. Ibra

Re: [ccp4bb] Definition of salt bridge

2008-10-16 Thread Nadir T. Mrabet
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Re: [ccp4bb] Definition of salt bridge

2008-10-16 Thread Ibrahim Moustafa
Hi, You can find more information about salt-bridges in the following references: 1) Ion-pairs in Proteins. JMB, 168, 867-885 (1983) - Thornton 2) Investigation of Salt Bridge Stability in a Generalized Born solvent model. JCTC, 2, 115-127 (2006) - Carlos Simmerling 3) Evaluation of Salt Bri

Re: [ccp4bb] Definition of salt bridge

2008-10-16 Thread Jayashankar
Dear Fransico, *Salt bridges are close range electrostatic interaction which depend on conformer population. *S.Jayashankar Research Student Institute for Biophysical Chemistry Hannover Medical School Germany. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Chavas Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Franci

Re: [ccp4bb] Definition of salt bridge

2008-10-15 Thread Chavas Leo
Dear Francisco -- On 15 Oct 2008, at 17:05, Francisco J. Enguita wrote: how can you define a salt-bridge within a protein structure ? According to Wikipedia: a salt bridge in proteins is "a relatively weak ionic bond between positively and negatively charged side-chains of proteins." Now,

[ccp4bb] Definition of salt bridge

2008-10-15 Thread Francisco J. Enguita
Dear All I've got some comments from a recent paper review about salt bridges. I would like to ask a very basic question about protein structure : how can you define a salt-bridge within a protein structure ?. Thanks. All the best. Francisco -- - Fran