Re: [ccp4bb] Data collection of SAD (MAD) data of Copper-containing protein

2007-03-16 Thread Randy J. Read
On Mar 15 2007, Yi Xue wrote: So far, the native crystals diffracted best to 2.4A. The MAD data diffracted to 2.6~2.7A. We attempted to use phenix.hyss to identify copper atoms, and the program had hard time to identify the sites. The protein: Cu ratio is around 1:1, which is decided by ICP-A

Re: [ccp4bb] Data collection of SAD (MAD) data of Copper-containing protein

2007-03-16 Thread Phil Jeffrey
I personally have had problems solving structures with large copy #s in the asymmetric unit despite a good model (my failure occurred at 14 in the a/u in primitive orthorhombic) - at the time finding the first monomer proved to be impossible. This was also a structure in which the systematic a

Re: [ccp4bb] Data collection of SAD (MAD) data of Copper-containing protein

2007-03-16 Thread Ana Gonzalez
There are no easy answers for difficult problems, but have a look at A. Gonzalez, J. Synchrotron Rad. (2007). 14, 43-50 Hopefully some of the tips given there can help in your case. On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Yi Xue wrote: YX > Thus, basically, the Cu anomallous signal is very weak, and the YX >c

Re: [ccp4bb] Data collection of SAD (MAD) data of Copper-containing protein

2007-03-15 Thread James Whisstock
Hi For your SAD / MAD data, firstly after merging can you see any peaks in the anomolous difference patterson map - this is critical. You could try using SOLVE / RESOLVE or SHARP / AUTOSHARP to identify sites and to calculate phases, as you have a little bit more control over the process. You

Re: [ccp4bb] Data collection of SAD (MAD) data of Copper-containing protein

2007-03-15 Thread Yi Xue
So far, the native crystals diffracted best to 2.4A. The MAD data diffracted to 2.6~2.7A. We attempted to use phenix.hyss to identify copper atoms, and the program had hard time to identify the sites. The protein: Cu ratio is around 1:1, which is decided by ICP-AES measurement of the crystalliza

Re: [ccp4bb] Data collection of SAD (MAD) data of Copper-containing protein

2007-03-15 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
It would be useful to know how you tried to solve the structure by MR. Just because there is a large number of chains in the ASU isn't a reason that MR will fail. At times you need to find some of the chains, do some rebuilding, and then use that amended model for a continued search. Bernie Santar

Re: [ccp4bb] Data collection of SAD (MAD) data of Copper-containing protein

2007-03-15 Thread ES
Hi: Is the resolution of the data sufficient to apply direct methods to find only the copper atoms, then use the copper atom positions in an old-fashioned 'heavy-atom' phasing method, combined with direct methods? Incidentally, was the following publication of any relevance in your effort

[ccp4bb] Data collection of SAD (MAD) data of Copper-containing protein

2007-03-15 Thread Yi Xue
Dear all: We already got nice crystals of a drug-protein complex, however, MR failed due to the huge copies (>12) of protein molecules per asu. Protein itself is a small one, only ~70 aa. Later on, we collected MAD data of copper (copper : protein ~ 1: 1), Rsym of the data was around ~9%