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>Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 06:16:48 -0600
>From: CCP4 bulletin board (on behalf of Jacob Keller
>)
>Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Citations in supplementary material
>To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>
>It seems to me that this problem is really a hold-over from comp
erg, Bert
> Gesendet: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:45 PM
> An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Citations in supplementary material
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> ?? I don’t know if I understand the question, but don’t most journals have
> references that do include the article titles?
&g
nient
for the journals that we won't be able to change it .
Best
Clemens
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Den Berg, Bert
Gesendet: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:45 PM
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OK I get it, its about the supplements...apologies.
Bert
On 11/22/10 9:35 AM, "John R Helliwell" wrote:
Dear Jacob,
Additional content, like article titles, whether print or online, need
to be checked properly for accuracy.
Article titles (if supplied by authors) can often need heavy checking,
?? I don't know if I understand the question, but don't most journals have
references that do include the article titles?
Science, Nature, Cell, NSMB, PNAS, JMB, Structure all have references
titlesas they should.
Bert
On 11/22/10 9:35 AM, "John R Helliwell" wrote:
Dear Jacob,
Additional
Dear Jacob,
Additional content, like article titles, whether print or online, need
to be checked properly for accuracy.
Article titles (if supplied by authors) can often need heavy checking,
and online systems to check
bibliographic information are not always reliable or comprehensive.
This I think
Dear Francois,
To my knowledge there are very few Journals that have article
references with titles. In crystallography I know of Crystallgraphy Reviews.
Best Wishes,
John
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Francois Berenger wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For me the citation format is also a major problem.
>
It seems to me that this problem is really a hold-over from compromise
with the exigencies of hard-copy publishing, i.e. a way to save
physical space. Further, there seem to be many aspects of
e-publication that have not adapted to the strengths/weaknesses of the
new medium, which could and should
Hello,
For me the citation format is also a major problem.
When the title of the paper is not shown, it really hinders the work
of trying to find which references are worthwhile reading.
I think it may even have a negative impact on the number of citations
a paper get.
I don't know if it has be
I think you are right--it would have to be a centralized site, like
the openacademia.org proposed by Peter Mika. I think there should be
several levels in the site, which would correspond to level of
closeness to phenomena, somewhat like the progression from abstract >
discussion > results > method
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Jacob Keller <
j-kell...@fsm.northwestern.edu> wrote:
> I took a look at his slides--looks pretty interesting, and I would
> have liked to have heard the talk! I am not sure I would be ready to
> advocate having no more journals, but I am interested in thinking
>
echnical information at all, except
>>>>> for the supplement. I've started to avoid using Nature papers for class
>>>>> discussions becuase they leave the students so puzzled, and with a
>>>>> glossiness-is-all-that-matters idea of science
perhaps? (I know there are about a thousand
>
> cynical reasons why not...) One could even have a place for
>
> "reliability rating" or "impact rating" on each new chunk of data.
>
> Anyway, it would be much more like a real-time, public lab notebook,
>
>
earch/01_Faculty/01_Faculty_Alphabetically.php?faculty_id=123
http://www.rsc.org/shop/books/2008/9780854042722.asp
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:12:26 +
From: CCP4 bulletin board (on behalf of
John R
Helliwell )
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Citations in supplementary materi
PK
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Phoebe Rice wrote:
>
> Another unfortunate aspect of this sort of editorial policy is that many of
> these papers contain almost no technical information at all, except for the
> supplement. I've started to avoid using Nature papers f
PLOS has the option of double blind review without author line & references so
that you can't even guess unless you are very familiar with the subject who the
last author might be.
Not sure though how many people have used this option.
Jürgen
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Jürgen Bosch
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Pu
I like the online methods sections with e.g. Nature papers that also
come with the pdf - they also count for citations, the citations are
not within the manuscript allowance on numbers, they get peer
reviewed and they actually leave quite a lot of space for readers to
understand the experim
have individual labs just
>>>>>> post their most recent data and interpretations on their own websites,
>>>>>> with a comments section perhaps? (I know there are about a thousand
>>>>>> cynical reasons why not...) One could even have a pla
op/books/2008/9780854042722.asp
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:12:26 +
From: CCP4 bulletin board (on behalf
of John R Helliwell )
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Citations in supplementary material
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Dear Victor,
I strongly support the stance that is i
e Rice wrote:
>>>>> Another unfortunate aspect of this sort of editorial policy is that many
>>>>> of these papers contain almost no technical information at all, except
>>>>> for the supplement. I've started to avoid using Natur
t;>>
>>>>
>>>> =
>>>> Phoebe A. Rice
>>>> Dept. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology
>>>> The University of Chicago
>>>> phone 773 834 1723
>>>> http://bmb.bsd.uchicago
ge
>>Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:12:26 +
>>From: CCP4 bulletin board (on behalf of John R
>>Helliwell )
>>Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Citations in supplementary material
>>To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>
>>Dear Victor,
>>I strongly support the stance tha
=123
http://www.rsc.org/shop/books/2008/9780854042722.asp
Original message
>Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:12:26 +
>From: CCP4 bulletin board (on behalf of John R
>Helliwell )
>Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Citations in supplementary material
>To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>
>Dear V
Dear Victor,
I strongly support the stance that is in the Acta D Editorial.
Manfred Weiss worked very hard assembling those details and over quite
some time; he deserves our thanks.
Greetings,
John
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Victor Lamzin wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I would like to bring to you
Given that an increasing amount of material is going into supplementary data,
it would be better if the citation indexers could be persuaded to count
supplementary references. I see no reason why they shouldn't
Phil
On 17 Nov 2010, at 16:06, Victor Lamzin wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I would like t
Envoyé : mercredi 17 novembre 2010 17:06
À : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Objet : [ccp4bb] Citations in supplementary material
Dear All,
I would like to bring to your attention the recent Editorial in Acta
Cryst D (http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2010/12/00/issconts.html),
which highlights the long-st
Dear All,
I would like to bring to your attention the recent Editorial in Acta
Cryst D (http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2010/12/00/issconts.html),
which highlights the long-standing issue of under-citation of papers
published in the IUCr journals. The Editorial, having looked at the
papers
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