Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

On 04/12/2013 06:03 PM, Nat Echols wrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Boaz Shaanan mailto:bshaa...@exchange.bgu.ac.il>> wrote: Whichever way the input file for the run is prepared (via GUI or command line), anybody who doesn't inspect the log file at the end of the run is doome

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Boaz Shaanan wrote: > Whichever way the input file for the run is prepared (via GUI or command > line), anybody who doesn't inspect the log file at the end of the run is > doomed and bound to commit senseless errors. I was taught a long time ago > that computers a

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

haniel.ech...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:38 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM, James Holton <jmhol...@lbl.gov> wrote: But, when it comes to GUIs, I have always found them counterproductiv

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

On Apr 12, 2013, at 12:44 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: > What, I'm afraid, people rarely realise these days, is that their desktops > are, essentially, GUIs to various OS features, so they obviously use GUI more > frequently than they think :) After all, this is all matter of habits an

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

What, I'm afraid, people rarely realise these days, is that their desktops are, essentially, GUIs to various OS features, so they obviously use GUI more frequently than they think :) After all, this is all matter of habits and training, and the reality is that people get more and more GUI-orient

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

I agree with Nat. There are good GUIs and bad GUIs, just like there are good command-line programs and bad command-line programs. Bad programs are easy to write and good ones are hard. Conservation of "work" I think. -James Holton MAD Scientist On 4/12/2013 10:38 AM, Nat Echols wrote: On F

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:27 AM, James Holton wrote: > But, when it comes to GUIs, I have always found them counterproductive. > In my humble opinion, the purpose of computers and other machines is to DO > work for me, not create work for me, and I already have enough buttons to > push each day

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

half of Felix Frolow [mbfro...@post.tau.ac.il] *Sent:* Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:25 AM *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success I would serve as a second in this duel, but I respect very much both engaged is this duel… Drop you pistols or swo

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

Hi I'd second NX; you can install a free server for one or two (I think - I only use one at a time ;-)) concurrent connections and a local client, then it's almost "like being there". On 11 Apr 2013, at 22:54, Dyda wrote: > Or nx, which works very well, although the server has to be installed

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

lost. Jim From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Felix Frolow [mbfro...@post.tau.ac.il] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:25 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success I would serve as a second in this d

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Or nx, which works very well, although the server has to be installed at the remote end and client on the local. www.nomachine.com Fred *** Fred Dyda, Ph.D. Phone:301-402-4496 Laboratory of Mole

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

On 11 Apr 2013, at 13:53, David Schuller wrote: > My method is to run the updater graphically on one machine, then spread it > around with rsync. Although being able to run it on the command line would > allow me to accomplish that from my own desk, without crossing campus to > another buildin

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 01:53:16 pm David Schuller wrote: > On 04/11/13 13:36, Ethan Merritt wrote: > > On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote: > >> Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying > >> to find a practical way of updating all thos

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

On 04/11/13 13:36, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote: Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line version of CCP4um will be very usefu

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

Yep. I put all specialty lab software tools on a file server and mount it on all workstations as /usr/local/xtal, a suggestion I think I learned...here. There are few programs that can't be served this way. I only have to update the server. Roger Rowlett On Apr 11, 2013 1:42 PM, "Ethan Merritt"

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

Perhaps there needs to be a separate update manager to manage updates to the update manager: [image: Inline images 1] (from http://xkcd.com/1197/) Cheers, Richard -- Richard Gildea Software Developer Physical Biosciences Division Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Rd Mail Stop

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote: > Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to > find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command > line version of CCP4um will be very useful. Another option for a set of mach

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

In cases like this, a request at c...@stfc.ac.uk should be the way to go. CCP4 is a community resource and we are to listen and to do what's doable. We may not do everything at once, but knowing what is required is vital for the project. Cheers, Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:22, Antony Oliver

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line version of CCP4um will be very useful. Many thanks. Tony. Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:19, "eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk"

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

In promise for next release. On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:17 AM, mailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk>> mailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk>> wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (an

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

Dear Dale, >From next CCP4 release (due soon), ccp4um will be runnable from command line >in automatic, non-graphical mode, fully cronable. I hope that that will give >you what you want. "--check-silent" is a special option for ccp4i, it only >checks for new updates but do not install them. B

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:17 AM, wrote: > Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from > ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at > all ?:)). Scriptability. On Apr 11, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Jim Pflugrath wrote: > I think James get

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

FYI I have a small herd of computers here and find it cumbersome to ssh to each and fire up ccp4i just to update the systems. ccp4i takes a while to draw all those boxes (particularly over ssh) and leaves files behind in my disk areas on computers that I'm not likely to, personally, run cryst

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

_ From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Felix Frolow [mbfro...@post.tau.ac.il] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:25 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success I would serve as a second in this duel, but I respect very much both

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

I would serve as a second in this duel, but I respect very much both engaged is this duel… Drop you pistols or swords ! :-) Dr Felix Frolow Professor of Structural Biology and Biotechnology, Department of Molecular Microbiology and Biotechnology Tel Aviv University 69978, Israel Acta Crys

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

Fight Fight Fight! On Apr 11, 2013, at 5:46 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: > That's really hard. Duel? > > Eugene > > On 11 Apr 2013, at 16:32, James Holton wrote: > >> >> CCP4 has a GUI? >> >> -James Holton >> MAD Scientist >> >> On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wr

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

That's really hard. Duel? Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 16:32, James Holton wrote: > > CCP4 has a GUI? > > -James Holton > MAD Scientist > > On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: >> Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from >> ccp4i, where noth

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

CCP4 has a GUI? -James Holton MAD Scientist On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because i

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, wrote:No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not?There was only one mention of "ccp4um" that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020

Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: > Hello All, > > I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update > update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP

[ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success

Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James