Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor & Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday 05 June 2007 12:19, Edward A Berry wrote: > You have a good point there and I would be interested in hearing > some other opinions, so I take the liberty of reposting- > > My instinctive preference is that each structure should be > supported solely by the data that is deposited with it

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor & Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread Bart Hazes
I think the relevant point in this discussion is that the original paper discussed the apo and substrate complexes of the protein. For the structure with lower resolution data you may indeed get a better model by taking the high resolution model and just applying rigid body refinement to it. Af

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor & Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread Phil Jeffrey
Wouldn't the desirability of this depend on the extent to which the molecule has moved between the high-resolution and low-resolution datasets ? I would have thought that there was an effective information transfer between R-work and R-free once the rigid body movements became too large, which

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor & Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread Edward A Berry
You have a good point there and I would be interested in hearing some other opinions, so I take the liberty of reposting- My instinctive preference is that each structure should be supported solely by the data that is deposited with it - (one dataset one structure) but in terms of good science we

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor & Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread Ibrahim M. Moustafa
Hi All, Thanks a lot for all reply with valuable inputs. In my original post: I meant a = b "does not equal" c. I used # for "does not equal". Many asked where is that paper published! Actually the paper is under revision. When reading, I assumed the unit cell dimensions (or the space g

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor & Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Yes; a==b for P6i - prob. a typo.. B factors at 3.2A are hard to fix - it will depend on scaling convention to some extent.. Can you download the data and re-run refinement for your own satisfaction. If R ==Rfree for the complex then I suspect they did not transfer the FreeR flags from the a

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor & Space gr questions!

2007-06-05 Thread David Briggs
Hi Ibrahim, On 04/06/07, Ibrahim M. Moustafa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, While reading a crystallographic paper describing the structure of an apo-protein and its complex I noticed that the authors described the space goup as P6122 for the unit cell: a=141.9, b=143.9, c=380.4

Re: [ccp4bb] B-factor & Space gr questions!

2007-06-04 Thread Edward A Berry
Ibrahim M. Moustafa wrote: The last question: In the same paper, for the complex structure R and Rfree are equal (30%) is that an indication for improper refinement in these published structure? I'd love to hear your comments on that too. Several times I solved low resolution structures using

[ccp4bb] B-factor & Space gr questions!

2007-06-04 Thread Ibrahim M. Moustafa
Hi all, While reading a crystallographic paper describing the structure of an apo-protein and its complex I noticed that the authors described the space goup as P6122 for the unit cell: a=141.9, b=143.9, c=380.4 ! Could this be considered as a typo or I'm missing something here! the