Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-09-06 Thread Oganesyan, Vaheh
0:04 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case Dear all, Thank you for your kind expert suggestions, and sorry for the late reply, I'm still trying all the suggested approaches. Some comments: - I can't use buccaneer yet, since I'm still working

Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-09-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Crystals with many copies of a single model are indeed notoriously difficult to solve by MR. There is often a confusion between crystal symmetry and non-crystallographic symmetry, but in your case that wont happen - since the SG is P1. First thing i would check is the self-rotation function. Is th

Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-09-06 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Napoleão, If you have such a large number of copies of the molecule in the asymmetric unit, you should perhaps try and see whether there is some orientational regularity in the way they are arranged by calculating a self-rotation function. Any such indication might enable you to filter s

Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-09-05 Thread Napoleão
Dear all, Thank you for your kind expert suggestions, and sorry for the late reply, I'm still trying all the suggested approaches. Some comments: - I can't use buccaneer yet, since I'm still working to resolve the structure. - Robyn Stanfield's suggestion of using Shelxe to try to verify the validi

Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-08-30 Thread Randy Read
Dear Napoleão, Yes, I agree with Phil that it looks like a case where there *is* translational NCS but it's not being used by Phaser, either because it wasn't automatically detected (native Patterson peak just under the default limit? more than one off-origin Patterson peak?) or because Phaser

Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-08-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
logy Lab >> The Francis Crick Institute >> London, UK >> == >> about.me/david_briggs >> >> -- >> *From:* CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Phil >> Jeffrey >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2019 5:24:48 PM >> *To:*

Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-08-29 Thread Roger Rowlett
gs > Senior Laboratory Research Scientist > Signalling and Structural Biology Lab > The Francis Crick Institute > London, UK > == > about.me/david_briggs > > -- > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Phil > Jeffrey > *Sent:* Thursday,

Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-08-29 Thread Jonathan Cooper
alling and Structural Biology Lab The Francis Crick Institute London, UK == about.me/david_briggs From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Phil Jeffrey Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 5:24:48 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case Are you *sure* there's no tr

Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-08-29 Thread Jonathan Cooper
ancis Crick Institute London, UK == about.me/david_briggs From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Phil Jeffrey Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 5:24:48 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case Are you *sure* there's no translational NCS ? For example

Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-08-29 Thread David Briggs
d on behalf of Phil Jeffrey Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 5:24:48 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case Are you *sure* there's no translational NCS ? For example your first molecular replacement solution out of Phenix shows EULER 293.6 27.7

Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-08-29 Thread Phil Jeffrey
Are you *sure* there's no translational NCS ? For example your first molecular replacement solution out of Phenix shows EULER 293.6 27.7 288.7 FRAC -0.02 0.02 0.02 (that's "first molecule at origin in P1") and EULER 294.0 27.9 288.8 FRAC -0.37 0.02 0.02 which is essentially the sa

Re: [ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-08-29 Thread Ivan Shabalin
Hi Napo, Apart from other things possible (wrong space group is often the culprit, but it seems like not your case), I would consider a possibility of crystallizing a different protein than expected. see "Protein purification and crystallization artifacts: The tale usually not told" https:/

[ccp4bb] Another difficult MR case

2019-08-29 Thread Napoleão
Deal all, Sorry for the long post. I have a data set obtained from a crystal produced after incubating a protease with a protein which is mostly composed by an antiparallel beta sheet. I have tried numerous approaches to solve it, and failed. Molecular replacement using Phaser, and the protease or