[ccp4bb] RES: [ccp4bb] Choosing test set for twin refinement, with multiple operators

2016-12-06 Thread Andre Luis Berteli Ambrosio
Dear all, thank you for the valuable inputs. I realize that one important piece of information that must be added concerns the relative orientation of the domain for which the electron density becomes poor upon merging data towards higher symmetry, with respect to the rest of the protein. We h

Re: [ccp4bb] Choosing test set for twin refinement, with multiple operators

2016-12-06 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi Andre, you should first optimize your data processing as much as possible ... try different programs, and do test refinements against the data they give you. Unfortunately Rwork/Rfree is a poor indicator unless the Wilson B is the same; what is much more robust is the correlation coefficient

Re: [ccp4bb] Choosing test set for twin refinement, with multiple operators

2016-12-06 Thread Phil Evans
With a long axis, the twinning test often falsely suggest twinning, as the spots may not be properly resolved. Thus a weak reflection may be overestimated because it is next to a strong one, leading to the same intensity statistics that you get in twinning Phil > On 6 Dec 2016, at 14:49, Elean

Re: [ccp4bb] Choosing test set for twin refinement, with multiple operators

2016-12-06 Thread Eleanor Dodson
The twinning factors all about 0.25 do point to a higher symmetry than P21. As others say - I would be very surprised (and would question result as a referee) if your FreeR was not >> 30% for such low resolution data Is the data anisotropic - often is with such a long cell edge.. If so do process

Re: [ccp4bb] Choosing test set for twin refinement, with multiple operators

2016-12-06 Thread Andreas Forster
Dear Andre, I agree with Jacob that P 42 21 2 might be the right space group, and that and R free of 33% isn't so bad. If your electron density is poor, that might just reflect the low resolution. Have you tried refinement with Buster? It has a way with low-resolution data. All best. Andreas

Re: [ccp4bb] Choosing test set for twin refinement, with multiple operators

2016-12-06 Thread Keller, Jacob
What were the twinning tests like in p42212? I suspect that it is really that spacegroup, the low Rfree is artificial (33% is not too bad at 3.9 Ang) and the electron density is bias. JPK From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Andre Luis Berteli Ambrosio Sent: Tu

[ccp4bb] Choosing test set for twin refinement, with multiple operators

2016-12-06 Thread Andre Luis Berteli Ambrosio
Dear all, We are currently refining a low resolution model (3.9 A max), obtained by MR. Dataset was collected from a single crystal with one long cell axis (~620 A) and high solvent content (74%). Best refinement results (by far!) are obtained in Refmac, by imposing P21 sg (20 multidomain monome

[ccp4bb] iNEXT access: NMR Extended Support and more!

2016-12-06 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
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[ccp4bb] New BUILT of XDS for academic users

2016-12-06 Thread Kay Diederichs
Dear all, there is a new BUILT of the XDS package available for academic users from http://xds.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de . This fixes a number of problems with the VERSION of Nov 1, and all users of that version should update. We believe that this has a better background treatment in particular f