Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Dale Tronrud
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The policy doesn't say you can "supersede" someone else's entry. It says you can deposit your own version, if you have a publication. Then there will be two bogus structures instead of one. Pretty soon the PDB will start to look like one of the cr

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread James Holton
A little "loophole" that might make everyone happy can be found here: http://www.wwpdb.org/policy.html search for "A re-refined structure based on the data from a different research group" Apparently, anyone can supersede any PDB entry, even if they weren't the original depositor. All they n

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Gloria Borgstahl
Exactly why I deposit the structure factors Thank you PDB!! On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Frances C. Bernstein < f...@bernstein-plus-sons.com> wrote: > From the earliest days the PDB accepted structure factor > files along with coordinate files. If you check the early > newsletters you will

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Frances C. Bernstein
From the earliest days the PDB accepted structure factor files along with coordinate files. If you check the early newsletters you will see that, unfortunately, most authors did not deposit structure factor files. Eventually, as we all know, deposition of structure factors became mandatory. Th

[ccp4bb] error in NCONT?... or misinterpretation?

2014-05-14 Thread Ezequiel Noguera
Hello, I'm evaluating changes in crystal packing between different forms of my protein. I use NCONT to calculate the number of atoms within a distance of 10 A from each CA atom of the protein chain. My protein is also a crystallographic dimer, then I want to list contacts between the two monomer

[ccp4bb] Postdoctoral Fellow: Data Processing and Merging in Serial Crystallography

2014-05-14 Thread Kay Diederichs
The Paul Scherrer Institute PSI is the largest research centre for natural and engineering sciences within Switzerland. We perform cutting-edge research in the fields of matter and materials, energy and environment and human health. By performing fundamental and applied research, we work on sus

Re: [ccp4bb] puzzle of reference zone in HKL2000

2014-05-14 Thread 林世强
Thank you! There is no exact definition of the reference zone in the HKL2000 manual. Given a reciprocal lattice observed from one direction, there may be several RotXYZs to reach it. It might be that the reference zone is a sampling parallelogram from the real space used to determine the orientatio

Re: [ccp4bb] correct pdb encoding for split-personality solvent HETATM?

2014-05-14 Thread George Sheldrick
Dear Alastair, As you point out, SHELXL allows atom names, RESIdue numbers and PARTs (=Altlocs) to be used in any combination. The only rule is that no two non-hydrogen atoms may have the same settings for all three. Other refinement programs may be more restrictive. Best wishes, George On

Re: [ccp4bb] correct pdb encoding for split-personality solvent HETATM?

2014-05-14 Thread Alastair Fyfe
thanks Tim. I have been using different "AltLoc" values (A,B) and different "Atom name" values (HOH,CA) but the problem seems to be which value to set for the "Residue name" field. Assigning different residues numbers would seem to lose the distinction between partial and alternate occupanc

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Wednesday, 14 May, 2014 13:52:02 Phil Jeffrey wrote: > As long as it's just a Technical Comments section - an obvious concern > would be the signal/noise in the comments themselves. I'm sure PDB > would not relish having to moderate that lot. > > Alternatively PDB can overtly link to papers

Re: [ccp4bb] correct pdb encoding for split-personality solvent HETATM?

2014-05-14 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Alastair, I think that refinement programs usually interpret chain ids A, B, ... the way shelxl uses PART 1, 2, ... and a blank chain ID corresponds to PART 0. You may have to assign different residue numbers to CA and HOH, but I think this is also the case for shelxl. Does this resolve your

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mark Wilson wrote: > As for the meaning of integrity, I'm using this word in place of others > that > might be considered more legally actionable. A franker conversation would > likely more clearly draw the line that we're wrestling with here. > The reference t

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Mark Wilson
Hi Nat, I agree that journals should be doing the heavy lifting here, for the reasons that you note. I also want to be clear that I believe the PDB is a crowning achievement of transparency and open access in the sciences, which is one reason that I am so concerned about this issue. I am in no way

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Phil Jeffrey
As long as it's just a Technical Comments section - an obvious concern would be the signal/noise in the comments themselves. I'm sure PDB would not relish having to moderate that lot. Alternatively PDB can overtly link to papers that discuss technical issues that reference the particular stru

[ccp4bb] correct pdb encoding for split-personality solvent HETATM?

2014-05-14 Thread Alastair Fyfe
On the subject of not (willfully) contaminating the pdb database, any suggestions on the following are appreciated. I am refining the solvent structure of some RNAs. Inspection of difference and anomalous difference maps suggests that some closely-spaced positions are alternately taken by dis

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Mark Wilson wrote: > Getting to Eric's point about an impasse, if the PDB will not claim the > authority to safeguard the integrity of their holdings (as per their > quoted statement in Bernhard's message below), then who can? I think this may in part boil down

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Gloria Borgstahl
I vote for Z's idea On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Zachary Wood wrote: > Hello All, > > Instead of placing the additional burden of policing on the good people at > the PDB, perhaps the entry page for each structure could contain a comments > section. Then the community could point out serio

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Zachary Wood
Hello All, Instead of placing the additional burden of policing on the good people at the PDB, perhaps the entry page for each structure could contain a comments section. Then the community could point out serious concerns for the less informed users. At least that will give users some warning

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Debasish Chattopadhyay
I think for questionable structures and those representing retracted paper, PDB should be able to ask the depositors for raw data and leave it for the community to decide if they still want to use the structure for science. If the depositors can't or would not submit the data, it should be clea

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Mark Wilson
Hi Tim, Getting to Eric's point about an impasse, if the PDB will not claim the authority to safeguard the integrity of their holdings (as per their quoted statement in Bernhard's message below), then who can? I understand that there are many potential complications to the PDB claiming some plenar

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Tanner, John J.
I agree with Mark. The PDB should, at the very least, attach a warning label to entries like 2HR0, where the scientific community has overwhelmingly determined that the structure is invalid. In this case, I believe the author never admitted any wrongdoing, and perhaps PDB policy prevents remov

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Tim Gruene
Hi Mark, I understand the discussion, yet as far as I understand the PDB does not claim to be the authority to decide about the integrity of an entry (or maybe better said, the PDB claims not to be this authority), and I find it very honorable that the PDB have not abused their power. I don't mean

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Mark Wilson
Hi Tim, I agree with everything you've said about the importance of validation, but aren't we really talking about something different here? Users of structural information should of course be keeping a careful eye on validation reports. On the other hand, what possible reason is there for the PDB

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Eric, On 05/14/2014 06:05 PM, Eric Williams wrote: > [...] > We seem to be at an impasse. The PDB won't evict highly suspect structure > models unless journals retract them, and the journals in question have > shown no indication of desiring to retract them. Is there anything that can > be do

Re: [ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread Tim Gruene
Hi James, I am surprised the PDB contained any data at all at that time - wouldn't people only submit their models but not the data at that time? ;-) 249GB and even the compressed 249GB data are not a 'tiny' space, as you actually point out. At 'those days' I had three operating systems installed

[ccp4bb] Release of BLEND in Update 15

2014-05-14 Thread Gwyndaf Evans
Dear all, Following on from the CCP4BB posting about the release of update 15 we would like to highlight a few points about BLEND and encourage you to try it out should you have multi crystal data that needs analysing: 1) the software needs the R package to be installed on your system. This is

[ccp4bb] Ph.D. position available in Germany

2014-05-14 Thread MB
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[ccp4bb] CCP4-6.4.0 Update 015

2014-05-14 Thread David Waterman
Dear CCP4 users, An update for the CCP4-6.4.0 series has just been released, consisting of the following changes: * BLEND: New program for optimum selection of multi-crystal datasets for merging * Documentation: Help for BLEND * CCP4i: BLEND interface and allow view of PNG files * Examples: BLEND

[ccp4bb] PDB passes 100,000 structure milestone

2014-05-14 Thread battle
The Worldwide Protein Data Bank (wwPDB) organization is proud to announce that the Protein Data Bank archive now contains more than 100,000 entries. Established in 1971, this central, public archive of experimentally-determined protein and nucleic acid structures has reached a critical milest