Re: [ccp4bb] coot problems to decrease R FREE

2014-04-24 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Robbie, I agree that you bias R-free after the real-space refinement well, ok, isn't it enough to realize that this is bad and should be avoided ? (I guess we all know we should never bias Rfree!) > My point was that we normally do not calculate R-free after real-space > refinement, It's

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinning VS. Disorder

2014-04-24 Thread Ian Tickle
Dear Herman On 24 April 2014 22:32, wrote: > > > The X-ray coherent length is depending on the crystal, not the synchrotron > and my gut feeling is that it is at least several hundred unit cells, but > here other experts may correct me. > > > I assume you meant that the coherence length is a pr

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinning VS. Disorder

2014-04-24 Thread James Holton
There are two kinds of "coherence length": transverse and longitudinal. Longitudinal coherence is often quoted as delta-lambda/lambda, which is easy to calculate but unfortunately completely irrelevant for diffraction from crystals. If it weren't then Laue diffraction wouldn't produce spots. Tran

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Twinning VS. Disorder

2014-04-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Chen, Twinning can be thought of as of two or more macro-crystals glued or grown together. The reason that the reflections often overlap is that they share one common plane from which they grow in different directions. Many twinning tests are based on the fact that the two (or more) macro

Re: [ccp4bb] PyMol and Schrodinger

2014-04-24 Thread Piotr Sliz
Eugene, SBGrid Consortium supports certain paid programs such as Pymol, Schrodinger, and Geneious, and academic laboratories have access to a limited pool of tokens. For more serious computations it might be easier to get an individual license, yet for starters the SBGrid shared-token library i

Re: [ccp4bb] How to create electrostatic surface of modified DNA by APBS?

2014-04-24 Thread Dyda
Hi Xiaoming, I would download pdb2pqr 1.8 from the apbs website and install it. (linux) It can handle nucleic acid, (3 letter code) . After you installed it run it with python /whereeveritis/pdb2pqr-1.8/pdb2pqr.py -h it will print the options. Hope this helps. Fred 

Re: [ccp4bb] How to create electrostatic surface of modified DNA by APBS?

2014-04-24 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi Xiaoming, I don't have the pdb2pqr manual in front of me right now. In cases where the pdb2pqr instructions don't address the problem that I faced I sent a message to their BB. They always came up with a solution. Just try to send them a message.      Boaz     Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D.   

[ccp4bb] Twinning VS. Disorder

2014-04-24 Thread Chen Zhao
Dear all, Hello! I am kinda confused and am thinking about the definition of twinning and disorder. I am just a starting student and might make some fundamental mistakes. 1) Twinning is a macroscopic phenomenon and the result is the addition of the intensity from different lattices; disorder is

Re: [ccp4bb] How to create electrostatic surface of modified DNA by APBS?

2014-04-24 Thread Xiaoming Ren
Hi Boaz: I tried running pdb2pqr server online, but it ended up with an error, saying "local variable 'key' referenced before assignment", which I don't know how to understand and handle with. Thanks, Xiaoming On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Boaz Shaanan wrote: > Hi, > > It's pdb2pqr problem

Re: [ccp4bb] How to create electrostatic surface of modified DNA by APBS?

2014-04-24 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi, It's pdb2pqr problem (unknown residue). I guess you ran pdb2pqr prior to running APBS, if not, you should. So, you should submit your question to either the APBS or pdb2pqr BB's. They are very helpful people. Cheers, Boaz Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D. Dept. of Life Sciences Ben-G

[ccp4bb] How to create electrostatic surface of modified DNA by APBS?

2014-04-24 Thread Xiaoming Ren
Dear all: I'm having a problem create the electrostatic surface for a DNA chain containing several modified nucleotides. APBS could not identify those residues and reported them as unassigned. What should I do to solve this problem? Thanks a lot and best, Xiaoming

Re: [ccp4bb] coot problems to decrease R FREE

2014-04-24 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Pavel, I agree that you bias R-free after the real-space refinement and a quantification would be very interesting. My point was that we normally do not calculate R-free after real-space refinement, but after reciprocal space refinement. Here the bias is removed again. So, the problem with b

Re: [ccp4bb] coot problems to decrease R FREE

2014-04-24 Thread Frank von Delft
Hi Pavel When you say "I can clearly demonstrate it", does "it" refer to the fact that Rfree gets biased? Have you explored how strong the effect is? To date, I'd laboured under the impression that real and reciprocal space are numerically very different things, i.e. what you refer to as "m

Re: [ccp4bb] Systematically shifted peak in 2Fo-Fc and BDF maps

2014-04-24 Thread Srinivasan Raghunathan
Dear Petr Leiman : It could be the result of series termination in anomolous map.(not sure) The error in the position results in a shifted position in the 2Fo-Fc map. As a check it is worthwhile to see an average of the two positions (three coordinates) results in a feature consistent with Bijvo

[ccp4bb] PhD Studentship in Crystallography at the University of leeds

2014-04-24 Thread Stephen Muench
Dear all, Applications are invited for an EPSRC CASE award in membrane protein crystallography and electron microscopy. This PhD, funded by Pfizer Neusentis and an EPSRC CASE award, will use a multidisciplinary approach to study membrane ion channels important for human health and disease. T

Re: [ccp4bb] coot problems to decrease R FREE

2014-04-24 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Robbie, I agree with Ed that you probably should not leave out your free > reflections in real-space under normal circumstances. > Phoebe is right: you should not use free-r reflections in calculation of map that you are going to use for real-space refinement. Otherwise you will be biasing Rfr

Re: [ccp4bb] coot problems to decrease R FREE

2014-04-24 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Phoebe, I agree with Ed that you probably should not leave out your free reflections in real-space under normal circumstances. Especially the low resolution reflections will make your map look bad if set to 0. Anyway, if real-space refinement is followed by reciprocal space refinement, and

Re: [ccp4bb] coot problems to decrease R FREE

2014-04-24 Thread Edward A. Berry
i.e. if you omit the free reflections, instead of biasing them toward the measurements and giving an unrealistically low R-free, you would be biasing them toward zero and giving an unrealistically high R-free. However that problem might be largely alleviated by omitting the free reflections but u

Re: [ccp4bb] coot problems to decrease R FREE

2014-04-24 Thread Edward A. Berry
On 04/24/2014 08:33 AM, Phoebe A. Rice wrote: > If you are doing real-space refinement of the entire model against a map in > coot, isn't it also important to make sure that the Rfree reflections were > NOT used in calculating that map? Depending on how the map was made, that > info can be hidd

Re: [ccp4bb] [PyMOL] Farewell

2014-04-24 Thread Thomas Holder
Dear Jason, thank you so much for you deep commitment and your invaluable contributions to PyMOL and the PyMOL community. You assumed responsibility for PyMOL and managed to give it a new home at Schrödinger. We are sorry to see you leave and will truly miss you here. To me personally, you hav

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] rigid body refinement or molecular replacement.

2014-04-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
PLEASE do NOT do MR - You will most likely finish up with a different origin for your SG, and it will make comparisons a pain in the neck! Just do a rigid body refinement starting with the native structure. If you like you can change the cell to the substrate one pdbset xyzin native.pdb xyzout su

Re: [ccp4bb] coot problems to decrease R FREE

2014-04-24 Thread Phoebe A. Rice
If you are doing real-space refinement of the entire model against a map in coot, isn't it also important to make sure that the Rfree reflections were NOT used in calculating that map? Depending on how the map was made, that info can be hidden in the fine print. +++

[ccp4bb] Reminders: BCA/CCP4 Summer School at Diamond

2014-04-24 Thread Airlie McCoy
We would like to remind students that it one week to the application deadline (1st May) for the BCA/CCP4 Summer School in Protein Crystallography to be held at Diamond (UK) from Tuesday 26th August to Sunday 31st August 2014. We would also like to remind referees that references are due by 8th

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] rigid body refinement or molecular replacement.

2014-04-24 Thread Herman . Schreuder
I would do a rigid body refinement, rebuild the structure and then go on with refinement. To compare refined structures, you still need to superimpose them first. Best, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Faisal Tarique Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. April 2

[ccp4bb] rigid body refinement or molecular replacement.

2014-04-24 Thread Faisal Tarique
Dear all I have a high resolution (2A) native structure of a protein and structure factors for a relatively low resolution (2.6A) of the same protein bound with its substrate (complex) having same space group and cell parameters (P212121 is the space group and cell parameters are a,b,c =39.4,64.5,

Re: [ccp4bb] Systematically shifted peak in 2Fo-Fc and BDF maps

2014-04-24 Thread Philip Kiser
Hi Petr, A few thoughts: 1) The Bijvoet difference Fourier is an approximation to the true imaginary part of the electron density, and because of this shifts in the positions of peaks in this map relative to the 2Fo-Fc map might be expected. This is described in Hendrickson et al. Acta Cryst A43

Re: [ccp4bb] PyMol and Schrodinger

2014-04-24 Thread Eugene Krissinel
> SBGrid is a also good option if you can afford it. It comes with PyMOL > licenses. - it would be helpful if SBGrid people can comment on this. AFAIK, nothing in SBGrid comes with paid licenses, and SBGrid fees are just for installing and maintaining the software. Individual program licenses a

Re: [ccp4bb] Systematically shifted peak in 2Fo-Fc and BDF maps

2014-04-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
A technecality - the Dano only contains information about anomalous scatterers and should therefore show these more precisely. The 2Fo-Fc map will tend to show anything which is included in the phasing at the position given. For safety you can set all the atom occupancies in the vicinity of the

[ccp4bb] Systematically shifted peak in 2Fo-Fc and BDF maps

2014-04-24 Thread Petr Leiman
Dear All, We are looking for an explanation for a very strange observation. Problem: We have two fully independent data sets (two different crystals), in which the Bijvoet Difference Fourier map peak of one particular metal site is shifted by 0.47 A from its position in the 2Fo-Fc map. Relevan

Re: [ccp4bb] Validation reports for all X-ray structures in the PDB

2014-04-24 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
Hi all, I don't know why my posting about validation reports re-appeared several times. The mail headers show that all 4 came through the domain ouhsc.edu but why they would be resent to ccp4bb is not clear, nor why this only happened with my posting. --Gerard

Re: [ccp4bb] version incompatibility between phaser 2.5.6 and current ccp4i?

2014-04-24 Thread Randy Read
This was resolved off-line, but in case anyone else has similar problems with Phaser or any other program launched from ccp4i, it’s probably worth sharing this with the rest of the BB. We worked out that there was no way the Phaser interface distributed with ccp4-6.4.0 could generate the “PACK