Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Jrh
Good morning Colin (from this side of the pond), I never liked the word redundancy. Multiplicity is a however a good word for multiple measurements. So, Ethan, what does someone in the USA say when made redundant ie out of a job? Surely not that they are now a useful surplus for the US economy o

Re: [ccp4bb] deleted font settings for ccp4i--how to have ccp4i use Ubuntu fonts

2013-05-14 Thread Roger Rowlett
In 12.04LTS I install X-fonts, and font servers e.g., sudo apt-get install xfonts-75dpi xfonts-100dpi xfs xfstt This allows ccp4i to display the fonts I remember. X-fonts are not installed by default in Ubuntu 12.04 and probably 13.04 as well. There may be a more elegant way to customize ccp4i bu

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Edward A. Berry
The idea of RAID (redundant array of inexpensive disks) must seem pretty silly to the Brits- disks may be inexpensive but they're not free- why waste money on a redundant system? Ethan Merritt wrote: On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 01:58:06 pm Colin Nave wrote: The use of the term redundancy (real or

[ccp4bb] deleted font settings for ccp4i--how to have ccp4i use Ubuntu fonts

2013-05-14 Thread hari jayaram
After an Ubuntu 13.04 reboot I noticed that all my ccp4i fonts looked very jagged and illegible. The preferences have the font assigned to be "-Adobe-Helvetica-Medium-R-Normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" Is there a way to have ccp4i use the Ubuntu fonts ? Thanks for your help Hari

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 01:58:06 pm Colin Nave wrote: > > The use of the term redundancy (real or otherwise!) in crystallography > is potentially misleading as the normal usages means superfluous/ surplus > to requirements. That may be true in the UK, but on this side of the pond "redundancy"

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Fischmann, Thierry
Colin wrote: > Can anyone suggest other sources of error which would be mitigated by having > different paths through the crystal. I don't think radiation damage > (mentioned by several people) is one. Suggestion : any source of error which does not obey the crystal symmetries will benefit from

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Colin Nave
Yes, a good summary. The use of the term redundancy (real or otherwise!) in crystallography is potentially misleading as the normal usages means superfluous/ surplus to requirements. The closest usage I can find from elsewhere is in information theory where it is applied for purposes of error d

[ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Frank von Delft
George points out that the quote I referred to did not make it to the BB -- here we go, read below and learn, it is a most succinct summary. phx Original Message Subject:Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"? Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 09:25:22 +0100 From: Fran

Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Jim Pflugrath
"Precision does not trump accuracy" is something Michael Blum told me. Also Charles Wheelan wrote in his recently published "Naked Statistics": “But no amount of precision can make up for inaccuracy.” I myself have been pleasantly surprised at how low multiplicity can be nowadays and still d

Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Phil Evans
We know that our scaling models do not completely describe and compensate for all systematic errors, for various reasons including radiation damage (which is hard to model). This can be seen by scaling together data collected about different axes, where typically the merging statistics between d

Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Frank von Delft
It's not about multiplicity, it's about scaling. See quote I sent earlier. phx. On 14/05/2013 10:40, Felix Frolow wrote: I guess that in a standpoint to reduce errors it is easy to improve statistical errors by longer counting or by using multiple observations. However the real enemy at the

Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Felix Frolow
I guess that in a standpoint to reduce errors it is easy to improve statistical errors by longer counting or by using multiple observations. However the real enemy at the gate is a systematic error which require special skills and experience to detect and to eliminate. I never understood why to m

Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Frank, I would not call it 'axiomatic' but 'statistics' to reduce the (stochastic) error by several independent measurements. You can probably give any statistics textbook as a reference. In real life, though, you have to compromise with radiation

Re: [ccp4bb] reference for "true multiplicity"?

2013-05-14 Thread George Sheldrick
Dear Frank, We did extensive testing of this approach at the beginning of this millenium - see Acta Cryst. D59 (2003) 393 and 688 - but never claimed that it was our idea. Best wishes, George On 05/14/2013 06:50 AM, Frank von Delft wrote: Hi, I'm meant to know this but I'm blanking, so I'll

Re: [ccp4bb] disordered helix

2013-05-14 Thread Bosch, Juergen
This looks to me like a good attempt for GraphEnt. Give it a shot and you might be positively surprised. Jürgen Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2013, at 21:26, "Dale Tronrud" wrote: >Sometimes a floppy bit of a protein is even more floppy in a > particular crystal form. Your maps do not app