[ccp4bb] Re>> Anomalous SAXS

2012-05-09 Thread BN Chaudhuri
Very interesting question, you can probably look at the following, related paper - Biophys J. 2012 Feb 22;102(4):927-33. Epub 2012 Feb 21. Multi-wavelength anomalous diffraction using medium-angle X-ray solution scattering (MADMAX). Makowski L, Bardhan J, Gore D, Rodi DJ, Fischetti RF. On Th

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Re: [ccp4bb] Anomalous SAXS

2012-05-09 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Hi Theresa, A well known method to investigate the surroundings of metals in proteins (metal-protein distances etc. ) is EXAFS (Extended X-ray Absorption Fine Structure). It has been implemented in quite a few specialized synchrtoron beam lines since the early 80s. I'm sure there's plenty of

[ccp4bb] Final call for MAMCM abstracts

2012-05-09 Thread David R. Cooper
The 42nd Mid-Atlantic Macromolecular Crystallographic Meeting is quickly approaching, and Saturday, May 12th is the last day to submit an abstract for consideration for an oral presentation. Poster abstracts can be accepted later, but please register by May 21st so we can provide accurate numbe

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-09 Thread anna anna
Thanks to all again! Find below my answers/comments to all your replies. Colin Nave, I'll certainly collect higher resolution dataset to look for more diagnostic rings. Apo-ferritin xtallizes in the same conditions with the same cell (I know it from literature), I'll measure it too, to look for di

Re: [ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Yes, in principle, on paper it is possible. Moreover in many cases by looking at the various directional Wilson plots you may be able to see direction of helices (just like in DNA/RNA). However in general case it is a little bit tricky (mixture of different secondary structures directed in diffe

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Paul Emsley
Your responses are tantalizing. In what way are the files not correct? As Garib says, the N+ is not chiral (and hence @ should not be needed). Paul. On 09/05/12 20:13, Shya Biswas wrote: does not give correct files needed to insert special symbol @ after N+ Shya On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:57

Re: [ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread Jacob Keller
It seems to me that spherical forms of Wilson plots could be used to determine how many bonds of what nature were oriented in which direction, and this may have been what Bricogne's micro molecular replacement technique was capitalizing on? For example, one might be able to orient a straight DNA mo

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Shya Biswas
does not give correct files needed to insert special symbol @ after N+ Shya On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Pavel Afonine wrote: > Shya, > > Elbow command: > > phenix.elbow --smiles="O=C(C[N+]23CN1CN(CN(C1)C2)C3)c45c45" > > will give you CIF and PDB files. I just tried, it took 5 minutes

Re: [ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread Garib N Murshudov
As far as I know there are several bumps: around 3.5-4 (there are some at low resolution related with molecular shapes also) - secondary structures, ~2.2 related with angles and around 1.2 related with covalent bonds. For DNA/RNA there is one more bump around 1.6-1.7 ( I thought that is because

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Pavel Afonine
Shya, Elbow command: phenix.elbow --smiles="O=C(C[N+]23CN1CN(CN(C1)C2)C3)c45c45" will give you CIF and PDB files. I just tried, it took 5 minutes to calculate them on my mac. Pavel On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Shya Biswas wrote: > Hi all, > I am having trouble generating a pdb and

Re: [ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nat, isn't this partially discussed by Morris' and Bricogne's article about "Sheldrick's 1.2A rule and beyond" (Acta Cryst D59, 2003)? Tim On 05/09/12 20:44, Nat Echols wrote: > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Edward A. Berry > wrote: >> Still

Re: [ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread Edward A. Berry
> A protein would only scatter but not diffract or Diffract but not scatter? isn't diffraction a kind of scattering? But yes, the atoms in the unit cell may seem random in that distance range (in fact this is assumed in wilson scattering) but in a perfect crystal they will be the same in each uni

Re: [ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread Mark Wilson
Perhaps I misunderstood Jacob's original question, but it seems like two different phenomena are being discussed here. My read of Jacob's original question was, roughly, shouldn't we observe non-Bragg, powder-like scattering from a well-ordered macromolecular crystal due to the abundance of ~

[ccp4bb] Anomalous SAXS

2012-05-09 Thread Theresa Hsu
Dear all Is there any interesting aspects of metal proteins that can be used with anomalous SAXS similar to MAD in MX? Can metal distance be measured with time-resolved method (ligand binding and so on)? I knnow examples for materials like nanoparticles but how about proteins? Thank you.

[ccp4bb] International Workshop on New Developments of Methods and Software for Protein Crystallography, August 24-27, 2012 Xi’An, China

2012-05-09 Thread 苏晓东
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Re: [ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Interesting: N+ does not seem to be chiral. Three out of four carbons attached to it seem to be equivalent. Garib On 9 May 2012, at 18:13, Shya Biswas wrote: > The following seems to work with phenix: > O=C(C[N@+]23CN1CN(CN(C1)C2)C3)c45c45 > Shya > > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Bo

Re: [ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread Jacob Keller
Yes, I just looked up the paper--seems right on topic--a powder-type ring at ~4.2 Ang, corresponding to Calpha-Calpha distances! But no 1.2-1.5 Ang ring, from what I saw. Maybe it gets swamped out by other things. I am thinking that the variety/distribution of bonds/distances of length 1-3 Ang in t

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Shya Biswas
The following seems to work with phenix: O=C(C[N@+]23CN1CN(CN(C1)C2)C3)c45c45 Shya On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Bosch, Juergen wrote: > Is that your molecule ? > > On May 9, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Shya Biswas wrote: > > O=C(C[N+]23CN1CN(CN(C1)C2)C3)c45c45 > > > ..

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Shya Biswas
Hi Paul The pdb file that you send me does not have the right geometry, have tried phenix elbow, same problem not the right geometry however in consultation with Nigel it looks like a special symbol had to be inserted in smiles, he send me a file that looks like correct. thanks to all who helped, S

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Paul Emsley
On 09/05/12 17:08, Shya Biswas wrote: Hi all, I am having trouble generating a pdb and cif file from the following smiles string: O=C(C[N+]23CN1CN(CN(C1)C2)C3)c45c45 Prodrg fails to run when i draw the molecule in JME editor was wondering if anyone knows a better program which does th

Re: [ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread John R Helliwell
Dear Jacob, Our, ie protein, crystals usual diffuse scattering ring involves a typically 2.8 Angstrom solvent oxygen to oxygen distance. There must be a 1Angstrom OH diffuse scattering ring but the weakness of the hydrogen scattering mitigates against that. The covalent links, to which you refer, a

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Antony Oliver
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Re: [ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jacob, I do not know the data, but the word 'fibre' sounds close to 'one-dimensional crystal', especially considering the screw axis you have in DNA, at least within the resolution limits that the pictures suggest. Cheers, Tim On 05/09/12 18:3

Re: [ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread Jacob Keller
Well, what about the original DNA fiber diffraction images--no microcrystals there, as far as I know, but one can clearly see the stacking distances and the phosphate backbone. JPK On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Tim Gruene wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear Jaco

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Bosch, Juergen
multiple ways of getting there: I used Picto (OpenEye) But you can also search PubChem with your smile string and find a perfect match http://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=437043&loc=ec_rcs If you look around you will find what you need on that web page. Jürgen On May 9, 2012,

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Is that what you are looking for?libcheck cn generate it (JLigand should be able). grade should also generate from smiles.Garib 1.cif Description: Binary data 1.pdb Description: Binary data On 9 May 2012, at 17:08, Shya Biswas wrote:Hi all,I am having trouble generating a pdb and cif file from t

Re: [ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Bosch, Juergen
Is that your molecule ? [cid:FDC217A8-8891-4163-88FE-3886A27C2823@sph.ad.jhsph.edu] On May 9, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Shya Biswas wrote: O=C(C[N+]23CN1CN(CN(C1)C2)C3)c45c45 .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistr

[ccp4bb] pdb and cif file generation from smiles string

2012-05-09 Thread Shya Biswas
Hi all, I am having trouble generating a pdb and cif file from the following smiles string: O=C(C[N+]23CN1CN(CN(C1)C2)C3)c45c45 Prodrg fails to run when i draw the molecule in JME editor was wondering if anyone knows a better program which does this kind of job. thanks in advance, shya

Re: [ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Jacob, A protein would only scatter but not diffract, the latter - in my understanding - being the result of constructive interference from a regular array of unit cells . A powder pattern is the superposition of many small crystals amongst whic

Re: [ccp4bb] Postdoc postion at SLS

2012-05-09 Thread Petr Leiman
Jacob, do not worry. Data collection for a typical crystal takes only 0.75 seconds. Petr On May 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Jacob Keller wrote: I saw something online about the EIGER 16M: 201 GB of data per second! Is that number correct? JPK On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Meitian Wang mailto:me

Re: [ccp4bb] Postdoc postion at SLS

2012-05-09 Thread Jacob Keller
I saw something online about the EIGER 16M: 201 GB of data per second! Is that number correct? JPK On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Meitian Wang wrote: > Postdoctoral Fello*Next Generation Detector for Protein Crystallography* > Your tasks > Built on the success of PILATUS detector technology,

[ccp4bb] Postdoc postion at SLS

2012-05-09 Thread Meitian Wang
Postdoctoral Fello Next Generation Detector for Protein Crystallography Your tasks Built on the success of PILATUS detector technology, PSI and Dectris Ltd. are developing the next generation single-photon counting detector (EIGER) featuring smaller pixel size, higher frame rate and dynamic range

[ccp4bb] Powder Rings in Single Crystals

2012-05-09 Thread Jacob Keller
Dear Crystallographers, the "saxs on crystals" thread reminded me of a question I have had for a while, and never having collected data better than ~1.6 Ang or so, cannot answer myself from experience: I would think that there might be powder-like diffraction rings at distances corresponding to th

Re: [ccp4bb] saxs on xtals

2012-05-09 Thread Jrh
Dear Anna, Very interesting diffraction pattern. Any chance of measuring to higher resolution? Ie to try and capture the higher order rings, which presumably are there. Also interesting that these rings seem quite weak ie the ferritin perhaps not fully loaded? Best wishes, John Prof John R Helli

Re: [ccp4bb] number of reflections

2012-05-09 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear ..., are you by any chance comparing merged with unmerged data? Tim On 05/09/12 04:32, West,Dayne M wrote: > When I index data, high resolution for example, I can get over > 100,000 reflections. However, when I refine using PHENIX, it says >

[ccp4bb] data backup

2012-05-09 Thread sonali dhindwal
Dear All, I want to take the backup of all my data which i have refined using CCP4. Can you please guide if I copy all the ccp4 data folders and then transfer to some other system and install ccp4, if will be possible to restore all the data on ccp4 window the way i find it on my current system

Re: [ccp4bb] viewing small mol cif & fcf files?

2012-05-09 Thread Jrh
Frank, Maps are viewed for eg charge density studies, orientation of methyl groups ( when need checking ), but omit maps and maps generally in chemX are examined usually as peak lists. Nb the diffraction resolution is much more homogeneous than MX and atomic resolution or better basically all th

Re: [ccp4bb] viewing small mol cif & fcf files?

2012-05-09 Thread George Sheldrick
Dear Frank, Small-molecule fcf files are usually created (by SHELXL) using the LIST 4 instruction and do not contain the phase information needed to make a map. To read the fcf into Coot you need LIST 6 format. You can check this by looking at _shelx_refln_list_code near the start of the fcf

[ccp4bb] PhD studentship at University of Southampton and Diamond Light Source

2012-05-09 Thread Gwyndaf Evans
Dear All, I'd like to draw your attention to an joint PhD studentship between Southampton University (Dr. Ivo Tews) and Diamond Light Source (Dr. Gwyndaf Evans) on the topic "Catching Reaction Intermediates in the Multi-step PLP biosynthesis with Microfocus Synchrotron Techniques in situ". Ple

Re: [ccp4bb] viewing small mol cif & fcf files?

2012-05-09 Thread John R Helliwell
Dear Frank, PLATON. [Or make the transition to bond distances and angles with esds, instead of maps.] Greetings, John On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Frank von Delft wrote: > Hi daft question:  I was sent cif and fcf files for a small molecule crystal > structure - solved with Bruker software, I

Re: [ccp4bb] viewing small mol cif & fcf files?

2012-05-09 Thread Paul Emsley
On 09/05/12 06:10, Frank von Delft wrote: Hi daft question: I was sent cif and fcf files for a small molecule crystal structure - solved with Bruker software, I think. Anybody know how to display this as electron density maps? I tried coot and mg, they barfed though - not sure whether that's