Re: [ccp4bb] Computer hardware and OS "survey"

2009-05-02 Thread William G. Scott
On May 1, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Jon Wright wrote: Link,Todd M wrote: ... I did not find an equal web support page for Windows. It just isn't needed. If there is a windows version of a program you get to "download, install, run" and then get on with your life. Similarly, since we could not

Re: [ccp4bb] Computer hardware and OS "survey"

2009-05-02 Thread James Stroud
On May 2, 2009, at 6:46 PM, John Badger wrote: I see a little bit of conflicting issues getting into the thread - optimal OS for a server or for development is a different question. This depends on how you approach doing your science. For some people, making their own tools to solve new pro

Re: [ccp4bb] Computer hardware and OS "survey"

2009-05-02 Thread John Badger
For MIFit downloads stats are 63% windows, 27% Linux (no fully functional Mac port yet). I have been doing crystallography on moderately high-end Windows laptops for a few years now - mostly MIFit with CCP4 but SHELX, MOSFLM, d*TREK etc are also fine. Performance is NOT a practical issue as far

Re: [ccp4bb] Computer hardware and OS "survey"

2009-05-02 Thread James Stroud
On May 2, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Peter Schmidtke wrote: We have both, OSX and Linux workstations in our lab, but for computational needs you would have to buy a Mac Pro workstation that is expensive compared to the PC counterpart. Else on cheaper iMacs you can not do heavy calculations, the syst

Re: [ccp4bb] Computer hardware and OS "survey"

2009-05-02 Thread Peter Schmidtke
This is the first time I see a discussion about this issue in science. To Answer to Pete...KDE and Gnome are user friendly and ergonomic windowing systems and nowadays major Linux Distributions make using these MUCH easier than some years ago. We have both, OSX and Linux workstations in our lab, bu

Re: [ccp4bb] Computer hardware and OS "survey"

2009-05-02 Thread mb1pja
.. but OSX gives you Unix AND you can run Word /Powerpoint without rebooting. And you get a user-friendly ergonomic windowing system that kicks the out of XP/Vista/KDE/Gnome... best wishes Pete On 2 May 2009, at 11:32, Nicholas M Glykos wrote: Dear All, We confuse scientific compu

Re: [ccp4bb] Computer hardware and OS "survey"

2009-05-02 Thread Nicholas M Glykos
Dear All, We confuse scientific computing with the individual scientists' computing needs: just because a scientist has to write a grant application using word, does not make windows a platform suitable for scientific computing (or anything else for that matter). Using computing machines for do