Re: [ccp4bb] R-sleep

2007-10-01 Thread James Whisstock
Maybe we could invent an R_Schrodinger that hovers in a quantum state untill we peek :) J William Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > If R-sleep is to be the "real" validation R-factor, why not just > sequester > each of R-sleep and the current R-free, each as a randomly-chosen (but > mutually

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sleep

2007-10-01 Thread Daniel Schlieper
Does Refmac prints this value (observations (with restraints) over parameter) somewhere in the log file? Maybe it does, and I just cannot find it. However, I do find the numbers of observation, restraints and atoms, so it is easy to calculate manually. But wouldn't it be useful to have this val

[ccp4bb] Team Leader vacancy: PX group, SGC-Oxford

2007-10-01 Thread Frank von Delft
I have a vacancy for Team Leader for Infrastructure and Methods Development in my group that is still being advertised; this is the Protein Crystallography group of the Structural Genomics Consortium, Oxford. For details, please see: http://www.sgc.ox.ac.uk/jobs/07079.html, and feel free to

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sleep

2007-10-01 Thread Tom Terwilliger
Dear All, I would argue that there are very few situations where it is necessary to use R-free as a criterion for optimization (as opposed to R-work). In any case where the parameterization is fixed and we are simply looking for the best set, R-work will do just fine. It is only situations

Re: [ccp4bb] [COOT] i need linux help RHE4

2007-10-01 Thread Kay Diederichs
Sue, I have the following 4 lines in /etc/rc.local: if [ ! -e /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko ]; then echo "installing NVIDIA kernel module. This takes some time." /root/NVIDIA.run --no-network -s -K -n fi This automagically recompiles the module after a kernel upda

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sleep

2007-10-01 Thread William Scott
If R-sleep is to be the "real" validation R-factor, why not just sequester each of R-sleep and the current R-free, each as a randomly-chosen (but mutually exclusive) set of reflections, and then proceed as normally with the other (eg) 80% of the data until the very end of the refinement, using the

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sleep

2007-10-01 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Monday 01 October 2007 08:49, Peter Adrian Meyer wrote: > This raises a slightly tangential question though - how do we know how > what obs/param ratio is good enough? My understanding was that obs/param > of 1 was sufficient for linear systems This is wrong, unless by "sufficient" you only me

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sleep

2007-10-01 Thread Peter Adrian Meyer
This raises a slightly tangential question though - how do we know how what obs/param ratio is good enough? My understanding was that obs/param of 1 was sufficient for linear systems; but it doesn't seem that any of the objective functions used for refinement are linear (and I haven't been able to

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sleep

2007-10-01 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Peter It has nothing to do with linear vs. non-linear models, it has everything to do with errors in the data and the model. Sure, if there are no errors you can in general solve for N unknowns exactly from N equations (obs/param ratio = 1) whether there's a linear relationship or not (thou

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sleep

2007-10-01 Thread Bart Hazes
I haven't read the paper, so perhaps shouldn't say anything yet, but here goes. For me Rfree is primarily a tool to help choose the refinement protocol, set the relative weight for geometry restraints versus crystallographic data, B-value restraints etc. Trying different parameter settings and

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sleep

2007-10-01 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Just to add that the R-free and R-sleep are nothing else than what is 'officially' known as 'test' set and 'validation' set. In statistical pattern recognition for example, one would use a 'training' set to establish the 'model'; the power of the model (in this case the 'model' can be for examp

[ccp4bb] CCP4 needs your help, clarifications

2007-10-01 Thread Jim Naismith
To clear up a few things. International support is extremely welcome. Commercial organization support is extremely welcome. In fact both of these are essential and will count for more than UK academics. ANY letter of support from ANYONE is welcome. Step change, paradigm shifting are anglosaxo

Re: [ccp4bb] R-sleep

2007-10-01 Thread Ian Tickle
The question is how significant is this bias, and is the cure (i.e. leaving out more reflections from the working set) worse than the disease? For refinements at 'medium' typical resolution (around 2.5 to 2 Ang) we are working with an observation/parameter count ratio of say < 3 (naturally I'm

[ccp4bb] R-sleep

2007-10-01 Thread Mark J. van Raaij
Dear All, the short paper by Gerard Kleywegt (ActaD 63, 939-940) treats an interesting subject (at least I think so...). I agree that what we are now doing in many cases is effectively refining against Rfree. For example, the standard CNS torsion angle refinement does n refinement trials

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2007-10-01 Thread Jim Naismith
Dear Colleagues, CCP4 derives its core financial support from the BBSRC (UK). We are now in the process of attempting to renew our grant funding. The grant proposal has four sections (1) New methods for working with low resolution and difficult structures (2) Improvements in

Re: [ccp4bb] Import and merge data collected from TWO sources?

2007-10-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There are two ways - 1) Import both sets - combine using CAD ( it is the first task of the Experimental phasing module) - do the automatic checking that you have the same indexing conventions - Scale data sets together ( 2nd task of Experimental phasing module) - that will give an R factor betw

[ccp4bb] Import and merge data collected from TWO sources?

2007-10-01 Thread Brenda Patterson
Is this possible? Currently I have two crystal data's. I have been importing the scaled averaged files using d*trek. The only difference between the two crystals is that one has been soaked with a ligand. Now I want to see if it is there. Is there a way to import both sets of data at the same

Re: [ccp4bb] bfactor, freeR problems!!

2007-10-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Yes to keeping the same FreeR Bfactors - I doubt if it matters, but I usually start a new data set by setting Bs to the Wilson suggestion.. Twinned data - maybe you ought to use SHELXL to refine it? Eleanor john kryst wrote: Hi all !! I am working on some deletion mutants. Mutant

Re: [ccp4bb] FreeR flag value swap

2007-10-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You can just set your default FreeR value to 1. See the REFMAC gui etc.. Eleanor Petra Lukacik wrote: I have a mtz file (output from phenix AutoSol and AutoBuild) where the FreeR flag for the test set has a value of 1 and and the working set has value 0. This is opposite to the ccp4 default wh