Re: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools

2007-08-18 Thread Lisa A Nagy
Dear all, I agree with MM about the ligand and complex structures. Even in the most honest circumstances, it is easy to get carried away with hopes and excitement. My personal embarassing experience was some years ago. It involved a protein that I had crystallized in a different space group in the

[ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools

2007-08-18 Thread Kantardjieff, Katherine
-Original Message- From: Kantardjieff, Katherine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 4:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dale Tronrud Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools Since my name appeared in this email exchange, I thought I should respond

Re: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools

2007-08-18 Thread Artem Evdokimov
The literature already contains quite a few papers discussing ligand-protein interactions derived from low-resolution data, noisy data, etc. It's relatively easy to take a low-quality map; dock the molecule willy-nilly into the poorly defined 'blobule' of density, and derive spectacular conclusions

Re: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools

2007-08-18 Thread Thomas Stout
To complete your analogy to the "ORTEP of the year", the summary page could be accompanied by a backbone ribbon drawing of the macromolecule, with a red sphere at each residue that has an error. You could get fancy and scale the sphere according to the severity of the error. -Tom -Or

Re: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools

2007-08-18 Thread Juergen Bosch
Hi Mischa, I think you are right with ligand structures and it would be very difficult if not impossible to distinguish between real measured data and faked data. You just need to run a docking program dock the ligand calculate new structure factors add some noise and combine that with your r

Re: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools

2007-08-18 Thread Mischa Machius
I agree. However, I am personally not so much worried about entire protein structures being wrong or fabricated. I am much more worried about co-crystal structures. Capturing a binding partner, a reaction intermediate or a substrate in an active site is often as spectacular an achievement as de

Re: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools

2007-08-18 Thread Artem Evdokimov
I wholeheartedly agree with George! A single-page summary of any given PDBID, with some of the less obvious warnings/error codes explained at the bottom, would speak volumes to almost any reviewer - and as George pointed out it's very unlikely that reviewers will bother to look at diffraction imag

Re: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools

2007-08-18 Thread George M. Sheldrick
There are good reasons for preserving frames, but most of all for the crystals that appeared to diffract but did not lead to a successful structure solution, publication, and PDB deposition. Maybe in the future there will be improved data processing software (for example to integrate non-merohe

Re: [ccp4bb] The importance of USING our validation tools

2007-08-18 Thread Mark J. van Raaij
it is still very bad, but at least it would mean there was some experimental evidence for the model and it was not completely made up. Mark Mark J. van Raaij Unidad de Bioquímica Estructural Dpto de Bioquímica, Facultad de Farmacia and Unidad de Rayos X, Edificio CACTUS Universidad de Santiago