Re: Controlling the images used for the builds/releases

2020-09-14 Thread Joan Touzet
Hi Jarek, I'm about to head out for 3 weeks, so I'm going to miss most of this discussion. I've done my best to leave comments in your document, but just picking out one topic in this thread: On 14/09/2020 02:40, Jarek Potiuk wrote: Yeah - I see the point and to be honest, that was exactly m

Re: Controlling the images used for the builds/releases

2020-09-14 Thread Jarek Potiuk
Oh yeah. I start realizing now how herculean it is :). No worries, I am afraid when you are back, the discussion will be just warming up :). Speaking of the "double standard" - the main reason really comes from licensing. When you compile something in that is GPL, your code starts to be bound by t

Re: Controlling the images used for the builds/releases

2020-09-14 Thread Joan Touzet
On 14/09/2020 11:54, Jarek Potiuk wrote: Oh yeah. I start realizing now how herculean it is :). No worries, I am afraid when you are back, the discussion will be just warming up :). Speaking of the "double standard" - the main reason really comes from licensing. When you compile something in tha

Re: Controlling the images used for the builds/releases

2020-09-14 Thread Matt Sicker
>From a distribution standpoint, the point of these policies to me has been to emphasize that anything we distribute here at Apache can be safely used and copied under the terms of the Apache License. As such, source releases have always been the target, though over time, Apache has accumulated sev

Re: Controlling the images used for the builds/releases

2020-09-14 Thread Jarek Potiuk
Very true Matt. I think this is really a crucial part of the proposal to define the boundary between the Apache / Non-Apache artifacts (potentially with a different, non-ASF compliant license). The "compiled" vs. "packaged" that I proposed is one way of looking at it, rather simple and straightf

Re: Controlling the images used for the builds/releases

2020-09-14 Thread Jarek Potiuk
Joan, I read your comment and I have a kind request - hopefully you are not yet out - you mentioned in the comment Open Office and artifacts that would not fall into the criteria proposed. Could you please point us to one or two examples of such artifacts and someone that could carry the discussio

Re: Controlling the images used for the builds/releases

2020-09-14 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Jarek, I’ve yet to read your Cwiki, but I am on the OpenOffice PMC. (1) If you wish to discuss our build processes for Centos, WIndows, and macOS please email d...@openoffice.apache.org. We are working towards our 4.1.8 release for the 20th Anniversary of Openoffice.org. (2) If you wish to

Re: Controlling the images used for the builds/releases

2020-09-14 Thread Dave Fisher
Hi Jarek, I’m sure that you have reviewed https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html I think that you might want to focus on Class B licenses in these discussions. It might help you to keep in a more limited scope and determine how to make compliant Helm Charts. The legal committee and VP are

Re: Controlling the images used for the builds/releases

2020-09-14 Thread Jarek Potiuk
Yep. I have maybe not intimate knowledge of all the licensing details but I am really interested in licenses in general and I am rather familiar with the doc (I put it also as reference in my proposal). I literally wanted the proposal to use everything that is already there and come up with an abso