Re: Hurd Mission Statement

2009-06-05 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
I just put the mission stement into the wiki (that's the beauty of using the wiki as staging area for the website: I can just change something and upload it, and if it isn't good enough for the website, we can work on it till it is). http://www.bddebian.com:/~hurd-web/ Also I added Olafs

Re: Hurd Mission Statement

2009-06-05 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Thursday, 4. June 2009 13:45:55 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > And I just spotted something missing: The word "free" :) I forgot to add the reasoning: Even though people who know GNU should know that GNU only uses free software, but this mission statement will (hopefully) also be read by peo

Re: Initial target(s) for libmob

2009-06-05 Thread Carl Fredrik Hammar
Hi, On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 06:50:01AM +0200, olafbuddenha...@gmx.net wrote: > > > > ioctl()s are always specific to a particular device class, and thus > > > the server(s) implementing (or proxying) it. It makes perfect sense > > > for a server implementing a specific device, also to provide the

Re: Sharing code with Genode?

2009-06-05 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 01:09:06AM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > I just got a "gnu hurd" news alert which talked about Genode, so took > a quick look at it, and it seems like Hurd and Genode could benefit > from some code- sharing. I don't think so... As we know by now, even sharing

Re: Code from last years GSoC merged?

2009-06-05 Thread olafBuddenhagen
Hi, On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47:25AM +0200, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > How much of the code from last years GSoC has already been merged into > the mainline Hurd? Some of the Mach patches from Adrei have been merged by Samuel in a timely manner, but others had outstanding issues, so they

GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Ivan Shmakov
I wonder, is there a chance of getting GNU Mach to run as an user-mode application under a different (e. g., GNU/Linux, or Mach-based GNU/Hurd itself) system? Is there any significant issues, beyond of simply severing all the ties to the real hardware (and p

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Ivan Shmakov, le Fri 05 Jun 2009 21:01:26 +0700, a écrit : > I wonder, is there a chance of getting GNU Mach to run as an > user-mode application under a different (e. g., GNU/Linux, or > Mach-based GNU/Hurd itself) system? Chances always exist. Developers time, no. > * T

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> Samuel Thibault writes: >> I wonder, is there a chance of getting GNU Mach to run as an >> user-mode application under a different (e. g., GNU/Linux, or >> Mach-based GNU/Hurd itself) system? > Chances always exist. Developers time, no. Surely. Not quite the answer I've hope

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Ivan Shmakov, le Fri 05 Jun 2009 22:01:26 +0700, a écrit : > >> * The time and qualification necessary to deploy one or more > >> GNU/Linux systems on a single host using User-Mode Linux is (to my > >> experience) significantly lower than for the other solutions (KVM, > >> Xen) > > > For Xen

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> Samuel Thibault writes: * The time and qualification necessary to deploy one or more GNU/Linux systems on a single host using User-Mode Linux is (to my experience) significantly lower than for the other solutions (KVM, Xen) >>> For Xen I agree. For KVM, I don't.

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Ivan Shmakov, le Fri 05 Jun 2009 22:26:46 +0700, a écrit : > > Samuel Thibault writes: > > * The time and qualification necessary to deploy one or more > GNU/Linux systems on a single host using User-Mode Linux is (to my > experience) significantly lower than for the other s

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> Samuel Thibault writes: [...] >> With the latter being said, I wonder, wouldn't the changes necessary >> to run GNU Mach in user-mode be similar to those already done to >> make it suitable for Xen? > The thing is: Xen provides you with pagetable-like operations so it's > quite easy

Re: GNU Mach: in user-mode?

2009-06-05 Thread Samuel Thibault
Ivan Shmakov, le Sat 06 Jun 2009 00:13:19 +0700, a écrit : > > Samuel Thibault writes: > > >> With the latter being said, I wonder, wouldn't the changes necessary > >> to run GNU Mach in user-mode be similar to those already done to > >> make it suitable for Xen? > > > The thing is: Xen