Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just try solving the "where do I popup a dialog?" problem first, you'd > have to write some kind of a windowing system and then force all > programs to use it. Not at all. The user context would provide a "ask the user a question" call. The files

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Ognyan Kulev
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: Just try solving the "where do I popup a dialog?" problem first, you'd have to write some kind of a windowing system and then force all programs to use it. Translators need "just" to support several user-interaction systems. As fallback, all translators must support consol

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
> I was surprised to see that you talk about code -- we are talking > about change in Hurd design now. He's just trying to provoke me in a good way to writing some code. :) I wish that I was infact doing just that, but what you suggest is just not doable... Just try solving the "wher

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ognyan Kulev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was surprised to see that you talk about code -- we are talking > about change in Hurd design now. He's just trying to provoke me in a good way to writing some code. :) And if my advisor hears about it, she'll skin him alive. I'm supposed to be wri

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
I was surprised to see that you talk about code -- we are talking about change in Hurd design now. One can talk all about designs, but they don't matter if they cannot be implemented, or shown to be able to even work out. ___ Bug-hurd mailing lis

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Ognyan Kulev
Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: The reason that filesystems do not have user context is because I was not sufficiently far-sighted at the time to realize the full flexibility of the translator concept I had created. No, it is because they can't have "user context", but feel free to disprove me wit

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
"Alfred M. Szmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It all sounds like a Lisp Machine... And even though I enjoyed your > little story, it has zlich todo with filesystems and user > interactions. Sure it does. It's about why a filesystem needs to be able to prompt the user, and why RPC should be p

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
Please, don't lecture me about the Hurd being perfect; it's not. Trust me, I won't lecture you about that, but I might lecture your about how unperfect it is. A friend at the AI lab once gave the following dream as an example of a well-functioning system: It all sounds like a Lisp Machi

untrusted translators

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Following untrusted translators in the filesystem is a real security > hazard. Can you say more about a specific losing scenario? I did my level best to make sure that following translators doesn't give away any privs. What's the problem? __

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > First, the question of installing packages and user interaction is > probably one of the simpler questions to answer. User interaction at > installation time is horrible from just any point of view - > interface-wise, administration wise, etc. No a

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
At 20 Mar 2005 14:35:15 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Thread moved over to bug-hurd since it's about design and not Debian > GNU/Hurd per se. Alfred Szmidt had pointed out that a dpkg > installation translator (one where you copy a .deb into a directory to > install it into the system) canno

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Ben Asselstine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Let's take the simple example of a symlink translator noticing that > the file it points to has gone away. > > A user would register for interaction with the symlink translator, to > give it permission to bug you when it wanted to. Is this act of > reg

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Ben Asselstine
On 20 Mar 2005 14:35:15 -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The reason that filesystems do not have user context is because I was > not sufficiently far-sighted at the time to realize the full > flexibility of the translator concept I had created. Now that we know > more abo

[Duck@DuckCorp.org: glibc: select() buggy on Hurd]

2005-03-20 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, Duck has sent in this bug report to the Debian BTS today, thought I'd repost it here where more people might see it: --- Begin Message --- Package: glibc Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20 Coin, Here is a simple poll() test case : (hurd poll() directly uses hurd_select()) #include #include #include

Re: heads up

2005-03-20 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Thread moved over to bug-hurd since it's about design and not Debian GNU/Hurd per se. Alfred Szmidt had pointed out that a dpkg installation translator (one where you copy a .deb into a directory to install it into the system) cannot be easily written, because Debian package installation scripts

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plans about the ext2fs patch

2005-03-20 Thread Ognyan Kulev
Hi, I would like to share my plans about inclusion of the ext2fs patch for supporting large stores. As you all know, the patch is in Debian's hurd package since December 2004 and it's still not dropped from there :-P Unfortunately, it's reported that it adds small amount of instability. I bla