Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-13 Thread Dave Kemper
On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 8:31 AM G. Branden Robinson wrote: > It isn't, yet. What you have seen is a Savannah bug report about it.[2] > It was filed anonymously. ("Who _was_ that masked man?" Dave Kemper, I > reckon.) Guilty. I (sometimes) anonymously file tickets in which I have no personal i

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-13 Thread joerg van den hoff
On 13.10.24 15:31, G. Branden Robinson wrote: [replying only to the lists since you're clearly subscribed, or otherwise following them] Hi Joerg, hi branden, At 2024-10-13T12:36:23+0200, joerg van den hoff wrote: On 13.10.24 11:24, G. Branden Robinson wrote: it seems it would probably b

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-13 Thread G. Branden Robinson
[replying only to the lists since you're clearly subscribed, or otherwise following them] Hi Joerg, At 2024-10-13T12:36:23+0200, joerg van den hoff wrote: > On 13.10.24 11:24, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > it seems it would probably be best to just agree to disagree and move > on, but ... Where w

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-13 Thread joerg van den hoff
On 13.10.24 11:24, G. Branden Robinson wrote: Hi Joerg, hi branden, it seems it would probably be best to just agree to disagree and move on, but ... At 2024-10-13T11:03:52+0200, joerg van den hoff wrote: but I really believe the line should never have been deleted in the first place (

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-13 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Joerg, At 2024-10-13T11:03:52+0200, joerg van den hoff wrote: > but I really believe the line should never have been deleted in the > first place (I think the working hypothesis should better be "even if > I do not see why it is there and even if it seems superfluous to me, > it is there for a

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-13 Thread joerg van den hoff
tadziu, I missed your mail/suggestion regarding reinsertion of the `.ll -8n' request in .XA and only today became aware of it due to the reverted commit (so too late to confirm that indeed this fixes the main issue perfectly -- you know that already ;)). thanks a whole lot for pointing this o

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-04 Thread G. Branden Robinson
Hi Joerg, At 2024-10-04T14:49:29+0200, joerg van den hoff wrote: > attached is an example. I tried to condense it and reduce those > MHEAD,SHEAD macros to a minimum (they are doing more in my actual > setup). so the missing SN numbers in the resulting TOC in this example > are not a bug :). > > t

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-04 Thread joerg van den hoff
correction regarding the "long entries that do line break do not honour indent": this probably is technically not a bug since in the original context the entries do have the form SN[tab]entry the SN is missing in the example so the entries in fact all start with \t and when line break occurs t

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-04 Thread joerg van den hoff
On 03.10.24 23:21, G. Branden Robinson wrote: At 2024-10-03T23:06:18+0200, joerg van den hoff wrote: table of content when using ms macros (wide entries failing to line break and "pushing" the page number out of line to the right instead). I cannot say, however, whether this is a 1.23-related

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-03 Thread Deri
On Thursday, 3 October 2024 22:18:23 BST G. Branden Robinson wrote: > At 2024-10-03T20:58:34+0100, Deri wrote: > > An example is the utp document which a lot of people on this list put > > together. Neither the original 1.0, producing postscript, nor 1.1, > > producing a pdf, now build properly, fr

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-03 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2024-10-03T23:06:18+0200, joerg van den hoff wrote: > table of content when using ms macros (wide entries failing to line > break and "pushing" the page number out of line to the right instead). > I cannot say, however, whether this is a 1.23-related issue or whether > it just has escaped my att

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-03 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2024-10-03T20:58:34+0100, Deri wrote: > I agree stagnation is not good, but it is undesirable if changes break > existing documents. Yes, if something breaks/alters the rendering of an existing document, it is best if that alteration is offset by a more valuable benefit. Admittedly, I see pro

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-03 Thread joerg van den hoff
On 03.10.24 21:58, Deri wrote: On Wednesday, 2 October 2024 19:29:26 BST G. Branden Robinson wrote: To accept such a restriction is to surrender groff to stagnation. While I am aware of at least one person for whom that situation is a preference, I claim that the same can be achieved by neve

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-03 Thread Deri
On Wednesday, 2 October 2024 19:29:26 BST G. Branden Robinson wrote: > To accept such a restriction is to surrender groff to stagnation. While > I am aware of at least one person for whom that situation is a > preference, I claim that the same can be achieved by never upgrading > groff from the ve

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-02 Thread G. Branden Robinson
At 2024-10-02T13:29:28-0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > [follow-ups set to groff@gnu, a discussion list] One point I forgot to mention... > At 2024-10-02T18:12:06+0200, joerg van den hoff wrote: > > I was not aware of this change (not following groff development > > closely) and it took me quit

Re: removing the .IX macro from the ms package in 1.23 breaks old documents

2024-10-02 Thread G. Branden Robinson
[follow-ups set to groff@gnu, a discussion list] Hi Joerg, At 2024-10-02T18:12:06+0200, joerg van den hoff wrote: > I was not aware of this change (not following groff development > closely) and it took me quite a bit of time today to find the root > course of why some newly compiled old document