Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 02:45 -0500] >Here is the complete log file, and the build failed as you can see. Where are you getting the brltty-5.2.tar.xz file from? -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | The Bible is the very Word of God. Phone: 1-613-726-00

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
I took the latest git and ran ./autogen and tarred it up. Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 02:45 -0500] > > >Here is the complete log file, and the build failed as you can see. > > Where are you getting the brltty-5.2.tar.xz file from? > > -- > Da

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
Hi Vincent, I'm slightly out of topic, but can xou tell me whats your distro and your release of brltty? Is your BrailleSense up-to-date? I ask because on my Debian 8, BrailleSense is not recognized. brltty says the usb descriptor is not present and, indeed, BrailleSense uses a gene!ic usb dr

Re: [BRLTTY] Problem with kernel module

2015-12-14 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015, Dave Mielke wrote: > This is just a warning. It means that the pcspkr kernel module can't be > modrobed, which, as far as brltty is concerned, isn't a problem. It might be > a > problem for the user, though. > > Brltty plays what we call alert tunes for events the user mig

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 07:58 -0500] Hi: >I took the latest git and ran ./autogen and tarred it up. That's the problem. Run autogen and configure, and then do: make src-tar -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | The Bible is the very Word of God. Phone:

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Dave Mielke on 2015/12/14 at 12:22 -0500] >That's the problem. Run autogen and configure, and then do: make src-tar Also, don't run autoconf when you untar. Just start with the configure. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | The Bible is the very Word of God. Phone: 1

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Vincent LE GOFF
Hi, I'm afraid I can't help much. I'm running Vinux verison 5 (I didn't mean to take much risks with accessibility for this first try). But I run a VritualBox. The host system is still Windows. I had to install a driver on Windows to help the device be identified, but Windows doesn't know

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
OK, I will try that. Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 07:58 -0500] > > Hi: > > >I took the latest git and ran ./autogen and tarred it up. > > That's the problem. Run autogen and configure, and then do: make src-tar > > -- > Dave Mielke |

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
Doing that gives me the following output and it fails ./mktar ./ brltty-5.2 brltty-5.2.tar ./mktar: line 53: ./autogen: Permission denied Makefile:62: recipe for target 'brltty-5.2.tar' failed make: *** [brltty-5.2.tar] Error 1 Also, I need to end up with a .xz file, so how can I run tar with the

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
hmmm, I never run autocon, just autogen which creates configure. Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by Dave Mielke on 2015/12/14 at 12:22 -0500] > > >That's the problem. Run autogen and configure, and then do: make src-tar > > Also, don't run autoconf when you untar. Just start with the config

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 14:15 -0500] >hmmm, I never run autocon, just autogen which creates configure. autoconf. I think I read in the log you sent yesterday that, after untarring, autoconf was run. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | The Bible is the

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 14:13 -0500] >I need to end up with a .xz file, so how can I run tar with the >compression option? make src-tar-xz -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | The Bible is the very Word of God. Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 14:13 -0500] >Doing that gives me the following output and it fails > >./mktar ./ brltty-5.2 brltty-5.2.tar >./mktar: line 53: ./autogen: Permission denied What's the umask set to at the point that you're doing this? -- Dave Mielke

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
This is done by the ebuild and was done before -- is it not to be done anymore? I thought it just ran configure. Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 14:15 -0500] > > >hmmm, I never run autocon, just autogen which creates configure. > > autoconf. I thin

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
The comments in the ebuild are # We run eautoconf instead of using eautoreconf because brltty uses # a custom build system that uses autoconf without the rest of the # autotools. eautoconf So, is this no longer the case? Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covic

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 15:03 -0500] >This is done by the ebuild and was done before -- is it not to be done >anymore? I thought it just ran configure. no, autoconf makes configure (from configure.ac). The software that makes the tar file (the mktar script) has a

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 15:07 -0500] >The comments in the ebuild are > # We run eautoconf instead of using eautoreconf because brltty uses > # a custom build system that uses autoconf without the rest of the > # autotools. > eautoconf > >So, is this

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
But the original error which stops the making of the tar file is ./mktar: line 53: ./autogen: Permission denied This is after I ran ./autogen and ./configure without any options. Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 14:13 -0500] > > >I need to end up with

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
umask is 022 Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 14:13 -0500] > > >Doing that gives me the following output and it fails > > > >./mktar ./ brltty-5.2 brltty-5.2.tar > >./mktar: line 53: ./autogen: Permission denied > > What's the umask set to at the poi

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 15:18 -0500] >But the original error which stops the making of the tar file is >./mktar: line 53: ./autogen: Permission denied >This is after I ran ./autogen and ./configure without any options. I do that all the time. It works, so it must b

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 15:20 -0500] >umask is 022 Before you start the build, or at the point in the build where the make src-tar is done? -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | The Bible is the very Word of God. Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
umask is 022 Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 15:18 -0500] > > >But the original error which stops the making of the tar file is > >./mktar: line 53: ./autogen: Permission denied > >This is after I ran ./autogen and ./configure without any options. >

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
Before I start the build -- this is my default umask. Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 15:20 -0500] > > >umask is 022 > > Before you start the build, or at the point in the build where the make > src-tar > is done? > > -- > Dave Mielke

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 16:01 -0500] >Before I start the build -- this is my default umask. I'm asking what the umask is at the time that the make src-tar is run. Are you running it manually from the command line? If so, the umask isn't the problem, then. In fact

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
OK, my sequence is the following: clone the git repository into brltty-test, execute autogen by typeing ./autogen, executing ./configure by typing ./configure and then typing make src-tar-xz -- is this correct? Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 16:01 -0

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by cov...@ccs.covici.com on 2015/12/14 at 17:10 -0500] >OK, my sequence is the following: clone the git repository into >brltty-test, execute autogen by typeing ./autogen, executing ./configure >by typing ./configure and then typing make src-tar-xz -- is this >correct? Yes. I just m

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Vincent LE GOFF
Hi, Sorry for the delay. I had trouble logging and keeping track, I had to try several times. Attached to this email you will find my /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices file, when the BrailleSense is connected. I don't know if it will be very helpful. You will also find a log of a BRLTTY sessi

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Vincent LE GOFF on 2015/12/14 at 14:42 -0800] >You will also find a log of a BRLTTY session (I selected only part of it and >wrote down the key press just before pressing it). Each key is pressed 4-5 >seconds of each other to clearly separate it. and I made longer pauses betwee

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Vincent LE GOFF
Okay, I'll do a second session of test (probably in a half hour from now, I just need to get some sun :D ). Now that I know how to do it (writing into the log file at runtime is a bad idea), it should be easier. I just need to have a clear and ordered list of keys to press and combine it with

Re: [BRLTTY] problem with the gentoo ebuild andthe latest code

2015-12-14 Thread covici
OK, I got this done a better way by using the gentoo ebuild from git system -- the only strange things I had to do was to do autogen by hand and to make the documents -- I was actually missing linuxdoc-tools, but it went fine and it does actually work, at least in preliminary testing, after all th

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Vincent LE GOFF
Hi, Here's the new log. I've included what I could and hope the matching is correct (some were a bit tricky and I hope I got them right). I didn't press the Windows key or any combination with it, because it's interpreted by the HIMS system. Pressing Windows leave the screen reading mode.

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
Could you also please do shift + each of the four arrow keys? -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | The Bible is the very Word of God. Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | http://Mielke.cc/bible/ EMail: d...@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 | http://FamilyRadio.org/ _

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Vincent LE GOFF
There's a problem with this one. I got only two key logged. I tried several times but I'm not sure of what works. I tried Shift + Up arrow, Shift + Down arrow, Shift + left arrow and Shift + right arrow. I assumed only the two first ones worked. But perhaps only the two last ones worked.

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
It's okay. I guess only Shift+ArrowUp/Down are working. Correctly interpreting these keys will take a bit of coding. Additionally, I now have an updated protocol document which does allow querying the keyboard type and whether two or four scroll keys are being used, and that, too, will take a b

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Vincent LE GOFF
Okay. Should I try to build the 5.3 when it's realsed? If I understood well, it won't change the accessibility for the BrailleSense, but it's also true it will provide a good exercise for building from sources in the first place. Thanks for your work, On 12/14/2015 7:46 PM, Dave Mielke wrot

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Vincent LE GOFF on 2015/12/14 at 19:56 -0800] >Should I try to build the 5.3 when it's realsed? If I understood well, it >won't change the accessibility for the BrailleSense, but it's also true it >will provide a good exercise for building from sources in the first place. You

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Vincent LE GOFF
Great, I have to test it! I've downloaded the code using git directly. But there, I'm at a loss. I've installed from source using simply the ./configure;make;make install command, but it seems I can't do that as easily with sources that way. Sorry with my beginner question, I've tried to fi

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Vincent LE GOFF
Sorry, I had missed the ./autogen configuration. Now I get an error because /var/brltty already exists, which is kind of normal since I'm using it to build it. I don't feel quite comfortable removing it before installing it, but I'm looking at the build options, perhaps there's one to do that

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Vincent LE GOFF on 2015/12/14 at 21:20 -0800] >I get an error because /var/brltty already exists, which is kind of normal >since I'm using it to build it. Do you mean that you checked out the brltty source into /var/brltty/? I'm not sure what that error would be. Can you post

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Vincent LE GOFF
I got it wrong, it's the /var/run/brltty that can't be created (a process?). I've checked out the code in my home directory: cd /home/vincent/src git clone https://github.com/brltty/brltty.git cd brltty ./autogen ./configure sudo make install Here's the log of the configure and make install co

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Vincent LE GOFF on 2015/12/14 at 21:52 -0800] >Here's the log of the configure and make install command. I'm afraid >I don't know what is wrong. > >test -z "/var/run/brltty" || /usr/bin/install -c -d /var/run/brltty >/usr/bin/install: cannot create directory ‘/var/run/brltty’: Fi

[BRLTTY] brltty-5.3 has been released.

2015-12-14 Thread Dave Mielke
Version 5.3 of BRLTTY has been released. You can get it by doing the following: Go to: http://brltty.com/ Click on: Download Click on: Current Release Here's a summary of the major things that have happened to BRLTTY since 5.2: General fixes: The missing key event (stuck key) problem

Re: [BRLTTY] BrailleSense QWERTY

2015-12-14 Thread Vincent LE GOFF
Should I then run 'make install -d' to ignore that error? I don't know why it would be different, but BRLTTY was installed on the system and I have no idea how it is run (as a service or deamon or something similar). Perhaps the problem comes from the current configuration. I'd rather use it