Re: [BRLTTY] Gnome 3 and my braille display

2012-03-15 Thread timothyhobbs
It's a generally known problem that there are issues with orca and firefox right now. I'm not sure of the status, but there was a lot of discussion of this on the orca list. Unfortunately, a lot of things broke with gnome3. Could you try Epiphany? I read one user's remark that it works sligh

Re: [BRLTTY] Gnome 3 and my braille display

2012-03-15 Thread Jason White
timothyho...@seznam.cz wrote: > It's a generally known problem that there are issues with orca and firefox > right now. I'm not sure of the status, but there was a lot of discussion of > this on the orca list. Unfortunately, a lot of things broke with gnome3. The Firefox/Iceweasel issues are un

[BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
Hello, all. I've managed to make baum driver (chosen because of qemu support) compile in GRUB. The result is available at http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/lh/grub/branches/brltty . However compiling is the only thing it does. I don't see how driver is supposed to be run and used. I see the functions

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Samuel Thibault
Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko, le Thu 15 Mar 2012 12:30:06 +0100, a écrit : > Hello, all. I've managed to make baum driver (chosen because of qemu > support) compile in GRUB. Yay!! > I see the functions: > static int > brl_construct (BrailleDisplay *brl, char **parameters, const char *de

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 12:30 +0100] >I've managed to make baum driver (chosen because of qemu support) compile in >GRUB. I think it'd be best to find a way to get all of brltty built. The reason is that the individual drivers use a logial hgh l

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 15.03.2012 14:51, Dave Mielke wrote: [quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 12:30 +0100] I've managed to make baum driver (chosen because of qemu support) compile in GRUB. I think it'd be best to find a way to get all of brltty built. The reason is that the

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 15:09 +0100] >I've pulled as much core as needed cutting at the lines where it was >the easiest to implement a glue layer In my opinion, if it's involving looking at individual drivers, rather than just at doing what's nece

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Samuel Thibault
Dave Mielke, le Thu 15 Mar 2012 10:35:54 -0400, a écrit : > [quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 15:09 > +0100] > > >I've pulled as much core as needed cutting at the lines where it was > >the easiest to implement a glue layer > > In my opinion, if it's involvi

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 15.03.2012 15:35, Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 15:09 > +0100] > >> I've pulled as much core as needed cutting at the lines where it was >> the easiest to implement a glue layer > In my opinion, if it's involving looking at individu

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 15.03.2012 15:35, Dave Mielke wrote: > As long as autoconf can have a way > to know that the environment is Grub, then it can select the Grub set of low > level USB functions and the core will just work. autoconf can't be executed in GRUB environment. GRUB has no complete sh support, no compil

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Samuel Thibault
Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko, le Thu 15 Mar 2012 17:57:36 +0100, a écrit : > On 15.03.2012 15:35, Dave Mielke wrote: > > As long as autoconf can have a way > > to know that the environment is Grub, then it can select the Grub set of > > low > > level USB functions and the core will jus

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 15.03.2012 18:10, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko, le Thu 15 Mar 2012 17:57:36 +0100, a > écrit : >> On 15.03.2012 15:35, Dave Mielke wrote: >>> As long as autoconf can have a way >>> to know that the environment is Grub, then it can select the Grub set of >>> l

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 17:22 +0100] >Particular driver at one side allowed me to pull in something we, for >sure will need, The drivers have been written such that they can depend on core functionality. Any changes which involve modifying indivi

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 17:57 +0100] >> As long as autoconf can have a way >> to know that the environment is Grub, then it can select the Grub set of low >> level USB functions and the core will just work. >autoconf can't be executed in GRUB env

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Dave Mielke
I forgot to ask: How is a USB device identified in Grub? If it's a reasonably portable concept, I'll add support for it to brltty. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | The Bible is the very Word of God. Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | 2011 May 21 is the End of Salvation. E

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread J. R. Westmoreland
This would be nice if it will work. Having braille from the get go would be great. Would one be able to look at the rest of the Grub screen? The part where it lists what keys to hit for various boot partitions or behaviors? J. R. -Original Message- From: brltty-boun...@mielke.cc [mailto

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 15.03.2012 19:47, Dave Mielke wrote: > I forgot to ask: > > How is a USB device identified in Grub? Currently with a pointer to a structure. Using serial number in finding is good, just I'd like to prefix it with usb/ to avoid any collistion with serial. > If it's a reasonably portable concept,

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by J. R. Westmoreland on 2012/03/15 at 13:01 -0600] >This would be nice if it will work. Having braille from the get go would be >great. Yes, it sure would. I hope my responses aren't being perceived as negative enough to discourage the work. :-) >Would one be able to look at the

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 15.03.2012 19:22, Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 17:22 > +0100] > >> Particular driver at one side allowed me to pull in something we, for >> sure will need, > The drivers have been written such that they can depend on core > funct

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 20:10 +0100] >Currently with a pointer to a structure. Has there been no need yet to identify a USB device in, say, grub.conf? >Using serial number in finding is good, Specifying the serial number is optional. Most users

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 15.03.2012 20:25, Dave Mielke wrote: [quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 20:10 +0100] Currently with a pointer to a structure. Has there been no need yet to identify a USB device in, say, grub.conf? s,grub.conf,grub.cfg (it seems you've missed an upgrad

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread J. R. Westmoreland
I didn't know Grub supported serial devices. If not, why not just have a way to specifythe default to be usb. Unless the device is fairly old it doesn't any longer have support for serial interfacing. For example, I have three devices, a PM40(usb), a Handy Tech EBR40(usb or Bluetooth), and a FS

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread J. R. Westmoreland
I'm happy to test things when you are ready to try if you like. J. R. -Original Message- From: brltty-boun...@mielke.cc [mailto:brltty-boun...@mielke.cc] On Behalf Of Vladimir 'f-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:42 PM To: brltty@mielke.cc Subject: Re: [BRLTTY]

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 20:42 +0100] >>>Currently with a pointer to a structure. >>Has there been no need yet to identify a USB device in, say, grub.conf? >s,grub.conf,grub.cfg (it seems you've missed an upgrade) >Mostly this code was used for usbms

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 15.03.2012 21:21, Dave Mielke wrote: [quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 20:07 +0100] Hi: I have an impression that we don't understand each other. Not at all. I can see from what you've written below that I've understood you very well. :-( Currently

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 15.03.2012 21:43, Nicolas Pitre wrote: On Thu, 15 Mar 2012, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: If it's optional then it's one problem less. [...] I see now that I misread isQualifiedDevice. The issue is settled then. Vladimir, I think your work on adding braille support to grub

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: > If it's optional then it's one problem less. [...] > I see now that I misread isQualifiedDevice. The issue is settled then. Vladimir, I think your work on adding braille support to grub is very exciting. However you would benef

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: > On 15.03.2012 21:43, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > > I think your work on adding braille support to grub is very exciting. > Doesn't look like it's exciting unless it does exactly the way brltty does it. Let's not dismiss any merit from

[BRLTTY] Contraction error and patch: Stevedore

2012-03-15 Thread Lee Maschmeyer
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Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012, Vladimir '-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: > On 15.03.2012 21:21, Dave Mielke wrote: > > This isn't nearly enough. This, as I suspected, is barely enough to simply > > attempt to write braille. That should be good enough as an initial proof of concept, no? Vladimir is certain

Re: [BRLTTY] BRLTTY in GRUB

2012-03-15 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko on 2012/03/15 at 22:27 +0100] >Samuel already said it: I just want to have something that works at >least minimally to begin with. To make whole brltty at least compile >would mean twice as much work. As I've already said, I'd be glad to do