Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-20 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Nicolas Pitre on 2015/09/19 at 16:53 -0400] Please retest with the latest development code. -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | The Bible is the very Word of God. Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | http://Mielke.cc/bible/ EMail: d...@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-19 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Sat, 19 Sep 2015, Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by Nicolas Pitre on 2015/09/19 at 16:18 -0400] > > >Not exactly. That is prior the screen update delay discussed in this > >thread. I thought it could have had some unwanted side effects, but the > >issue was there before the delay was in

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-19 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Nicolas Pitre on 2015/09/19 at 16:18 -0400] >Not exactly. That is prior the screen update delay discussed in this >thread. I thought it could have had some unwanted side effects, but the >issue was there before the delay was introduced. Okay, thanks. I guess I looked up the wr

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-19 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Sat, 19 Sep 2015, Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by Nicolas Pitre on 2015/09/19 at 15:58 -0400] > > >Update: the above commit does exhibit the lost key event issue as well. > > That'd be the latest development code. Not exactly. That is prior the screen update delay discussed in this t

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-19 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Nicolas Pitre on 2015/09/19 at 15:58 -0400] >Update: the above commit does exhibit the lost key event issue as well. That'd be the latest development code. >The one that doesn't is stock Fedora 22 brltty package >brltty-5.2-3.fc22. There are a lot of commits in between. -- D

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-19 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Dave Mielke wrote: > > > Have you verified that it's exactly this one change that makes the > > difference? > > No. Not yet. > > And as I said, it takes hours on average for this issue to occur. > > I'm using commit 79cd158b no

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-18 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by Nicolas Pitre on 2015/09/18 at 17:02 -0400] > > >Well... It's been a few days since I've been running that brltty version > >on my BC640. I don't know how the 5ms delay might affect things other > >than the screen refresh rate, but it

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-18 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Nicolas Pitre on 2015/09/18 at 17:02 -0400] >Well... It's been a few days since I've been running that brltty version >on my BC640. I don't know how the 5ms delay might affect things other >than the screen refresh rate, but it seems that some braille display key >events are dr

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-18 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > On Mon, 14 Sep 2015, Dave Mielke wrote: > > > [quoted lines by Nicolas Pitre on 2015/09/14 at 18:11 -0400] > > > > >I really do enjoy the current display refresh snappiness and > > >I'd like for my refresh delay to remain at 0. > > > > Could you give

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-15 Thread Dave Mielke
Are you able to check if your problem is also resolved by using the latest development code of brltty? -- Dave Mielke | 2213 Fox Crescent | The Bible is the very Word of God. Phone: 1-613-726-0014 | Ottawa, Ontario | http://Mielke.cc/bible/ EMail: d...@mielke.cc | Canada K2A 1H7 |

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-15 Thread Klaus-Peter Wegge
Hello, FYI: the following settings in .alpinerc (by editor or via the configure menu of alpine) finaly solve the reported cursor tracking problem for brltty: no-enable-mail-check-cue quell-imap-envelope-update busy-cue-rate=0 With these settings mail-check-interval=x x can be

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015, Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by Nicolas Pitre on 2015/09/14 at 18:11 -0400] > > >I really do enjoy the current display refresh snappiness and > >I'd like for my refresh delay to remain at 0. > > Could you give the latest code (with a 5ms delay) a (fair) test? I don't

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Nicolas Pitre on 2015/09/14 at 18:11 -0400] >I really do enjoy the current display refresh snappiness and >I'd like for my refresh delay to remain at 0. Could you give the latest code (with a 5ms delay) a (fair) test? I don't think that this rather short delay is noticeable. F

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015, Aura Kelloniemi wrote: > I wish these options could be configurable at run-time - either through the > preferences menu or /etc/brltty.conf, because users' opinions are likely to > vary. Agreed. I really do enjoy the current display refresh snappiness and I'd like for my r

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Nicolas Pitre
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015, Dave Mielke wrote: > Right now, the handler that processes a screen update alert is scheduled to > execute immediately. My theory is that it might be better to schedule it to > occur a few milliseconds later. I'd suggest this delay should apply only to cursor tracking. No

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Aura Kelloniemi
Dave Mielke writes: > [quoted lines by Aura Kelloniemi on 2015/09/14 at 21:56 +0300] >>So, here are the new results. Now I tested with emacs with up to four windows >>all updating the mode line continuously. I also tested with elinks which also >>has a "clock on status line" feature. >> >>Value

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Aura Kelloniemi on 2015/09/14 at 21:56 +0300] >So, here are the new results. Now I tested with emacs with up to four windows >all updating the mode line continuously. I also tested with elinks which also >has a "clock on status line" feature. > >Values 0 and 1 are too small - ther

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Aura Kelloniemi
Dave Mielke writes: > [quoted lines by Aura Kelloniemi on 2015/09/14 at 19:57 +0300] >>I think that the problem with Dave's attempt to fix this problem was that >>screen updates just take a longer time than what was suspected. However, for >>top for example, the screen update takes a noticeably

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Aura Kelloniemi on 2015/09/14 at 19:57 +0300] >I think that the problem with Dave's attempt to fix this problem was that >screen updates just take a longer time than what was suspected. However, for >top for example, the screen update takes a noticeably long time (perhaps >around

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Aura Kelloniemi
Hello Dave Mielke writes: > Right now, the handler that processes a screen update alert is scheduled to > execute immediately. My theory is that it might be better to schedule it to > occur a few milliseconds later. I tried the git head. My expert test bench looked like this: Test #1: emac

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Klaus-Peter Wegge on 2015/09/14 at 16:42 +0200] >The problem does not appear with alpine2.11 on the debian8 when >downgrading to a brltty4.x version. May be it has to do with the change >of the refresh strategy from 4 to 5. The difference is that brltty 4 (and earlier) would simp

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Klaus-Peter Wegge
Thanks for both answers and explanations. The problem does not appear with alpine2.11 on the debian8 when downgrading to a brltty4.x version. May be it has to do with the change of the refresh strategy from 4 to 5. BTW: older alpine versions have the same problem with brltty5. I figured out that

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Dave Mielke
[quoted lines by Aura Kelloniemi on 2015/09/14 at 15:02 +0300] >Therefore it is at the moment almost impossible to use cursor tracking in >programs which update the screen frequently. I, for example, would like to >have emacs display a clock on its mode line, but I cannot activate the >feature, be

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Aura Kelloniemi
Klaus-Peter Wegge writes: > Hello, > with my update to debian 8 I also updated from brltty3.8 to 5.2. > Now I'm approaching the following problem when using alpine2.11: > When reading a mail by moving the braille window around > the braille window jumps back to the current cursor position a

Re: [BRLTTY] brltty5.2 alpine2.11 cursor tracking

2015-09-14 Thread Samuel Thibault
Hello, Klaus-Peter Wegge, le Mon 14 Sep 2015 09:12:02 +0200, a écrit : > with my update to debian 8 I also updated from brltty3.8 to 5.2. > Now I'm approaching the following problem when using alpine2.11: > This effect does not appear when login in by ssh from an old PC with > brtlly 4.x. > The d