Re: Transcript of President Bush's Speech at NASA

2004-01-14 Thread Trent Shipley
Tonight ABC News said that they were only budgeting $12G for the entire program. Only $1G was new money for NASA, the other $11G would come from reshuffling NASA's budget. See: http://www.nasa.gov/about/budget/ My immediate impressions was that this is a zero sum game. The unmanned mission c

Tg Territories

2004-01-14 Thread Trent Shipley
Alberto: I come up with 10 major Terragen colonies. The problem is that Galactics wouldn't count Mars or Venus as proper leaseholds, so I get 8 leases. In fact, my exepectation is that if you asked a Galactic how many leaseholds their race had they would only report their Homeworld, B, and C c

Re: Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan

2004-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Thursday 2004-01-15 15:08, Bryon Daly wrote: > So far all money numbers announced for the Bush plan seem complete > nonsense, if not outright dishonesty. We shouldn't expect George W. Bush > himself to know that $12 billion is not enough to develop a spaceship. We > should expect the people arou

Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Thursday 2004-01-15 16:28, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > >spaceship is the Crew Exploration Vehicle? How inspiring! > > Less inspiring than, frex, "Lunar Module"? > > > The name doesn't even make sense. > > Who cares? > > >Will the task of the vehicle be to explore the crew? > > No. Its task will

Re: Tg Territories

2004-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Thursday 2004-01-15 12:51, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Trent Shipley wrote: > > I come up with 10 major Terragen colonies. The problem is that Galactics > > wouldn't count Mars or Venus as proper leaseholds, so I get 8 leases. > > You mean: Earth (homeworld), Mars, Ve

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > _That's_ what's inspiring about it. > > > > Who cares if its inspiring? > > > > Look I was raised to be a liberal. > > > > I feel that we should fund medicaide and take care of poor > > sick folk. (Heck, > > I am poor with chronic i

Re: Tg Territories

2004-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:58, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > So a total of 9 respectable leasholds > > Ok *** > We still miss one. > > > First, to my way of thinking a Class-A leased planet needs to have some > > life (probably algal mat stage) and be terraformable. Would you believe > > that such

Re: Tg Territories

2004-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Thursday 2004-01-15 21:22, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Trent Shipley wrote: > >> We still miss one. > >> > >> Alpha Centauri would be the 2nd lease. IIRC, at the time of Sundiver > >> Earth had 3 colonies. > > > > Good. So you do not care that

Hoon Leases and Colonies (Was Notes on Uplift)

2004-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
> Everything I'm trying to do by way of numbers, is to make Alvin filthy rich > whether or not he really wants to be so. > > William Taylor Why? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
> >When the administration announces grand plans for manned space programs i > >FEEL > >proud, excited, and--yes--even inspired. > > > >And that feeling immediately makes me suspicious. Is this fiscally > >responsible? Is it rational? I think, no, I *KNOW* that basing public > >policy on emotion

Re: Hoon Leases and Colonies (Was Notes on Uplift)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 00:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/15/2004 11:55:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Everything I'm trying to do by way of numbers, is to make Alvin filthy > > rich > > > > whether or not he really wants to be so. > > > > >

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 02:32, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > At 10:17 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote: > >On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Um. I thought I was pretty clear. I HAVE given up on the social > > programs. > > Let me make sure I understa

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be treated. Open access to emergency medicine is the back door is basically a disguised form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent people to take on your charity case whether they want to or not. On Friday 2004-01-16 07:03, Damon Agretto wrote:

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 13:16, Damon Agretto wrote: > --- Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be > > treated. > > > > Open access to emergency medicine is the back door > > is basically a disguised > > fo

Re: Hoon Leases and Colonies (Was Notes on Uplift)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 09:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/16/2004 3:04:47 AM US Mountain Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > The book cannot be nothing other than a success. > > > > Thereby pissing off all the septs of Jijo. In terms of GIM legal action > > the >

Re: Hoon Leases and Colonies (Was Notes on Uplift)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 18:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/16/2004 5:17:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Unfortunately, the legal aspect is only half the problem with Alvin's > > book. > > > > The bigger and more intractable problem would be PR. >

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 18:30, John D. Giorgis wrote: > At 01:49 PM 1/16/2004 -0700 Trent Shipley wrote: > >I can think of only a few objective reasons why the commonwealth should > >provide subsidies to ne'er do wells like myself. > > What a Nietschian hell > E

Re: Hoon Leases and Colonies (Was Notes on Uplift)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
> Trent, do you at least agree with the idea that books actually published as > books have an environmental surtax, and also a higer royalty to the author > than a book only published electronically. In our world or in Uplift? (Galactics *ONLY* publish books electronically.) > (It's a fad to r

Re: Tg Territories

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 07:49, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Trent Shipley wrote: > >>> Good. So you do not care that the Alpha Centuri colony is Class-A, or > >>> are you proposing that is it Class-B? > >> > >> It could be anything. Probably a world in _fa

Re: Martian Emotion

2004-01-18 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2004-01-18 13:08, Robert J. Chassell wrote: > Robert J. Chassell wrote: > > * An air-augmented chemical rocket. Currently, rockets carry all > > the oxygen they need with them. An air-augmented chemical rocket > > operates part of the time as a ram jet, taking

Uplift Timeline (was Tg Territories)

2004-01-18 Thread Trent Shipley
Dear Alberto: The new colony will be an A+/B- world in orbit around Alpha Centuri A. It will be called Easter. Its residents will be called 'Pascuans'. Before do a write-up I needed some dates, so I re-collated the timeline. Let me know what you think. 1) I got my old timeline and fixed it.

Soro Religion

2004-01-19 Thread Trent Shipley
Are Soro Obeyors? What about Gubru? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Attn Brin: Hoon Genius

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
The evident enthusiasm of a certain list member has given me cause to ask myself whether Hoon, as a literary creation, might have broad-based apeal. I think the answer must be affirmative. Indeed, Hoon characters could have such strong psycho-cultural charisma that they would be the key to sup

Re: Gender selection

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2004-01-20 17:29, ritu wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > This is a disturbing article (with some graphic > > description) about gender selection in Asia: > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3990133/ > > Have you read Elizabeth Bumiller's "May You Be the Mother of a Hundred > Sons" ? The me

Planet Easter

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
Planet Easter Humans discovered that the second planet from Alpha Centuri A had life in 197_BxY. They sent a probe to the planet in 166_BxY and a near-light speed manned mission in 151_BxY. In the wake of Human exploration, Humans started calling the planet "Easter" after a desolate island in

Easters Eccentric Seasons

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
Sorry, forgot this: Easter Seasons   Distance from star   Close

Re: Uplift Timeline (was Tg Territories)

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2004-01-19 01:55, The Fool wrote: > > From: Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > 12 MYA: The last recorded "wolfling" race, the Paranaj, is discovered. > > Within > > > 1000 years it is extinct. > > > > 52 KYA:

Re: Uplift Timeline (was Tg Territories)

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2004-01-20 20:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/20/2004 8:04:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Lost track of which galaxy is which number here. I didn't so much loose track of each Galaxy as give up on tracking them. I just tried to kee

Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
> What ever happened to Tug. He left Kazzkark with Alvin for Hurumphta, but > he/it/they (whatever) didn't make the cut for Alvin's last journal entry. Didn't the Neo-Fin kill him by accident (shoot on sight as a Jophur) when the Streaker rescued the kids? ___

Re: Tg Territories

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
Various Terragen Confederation Territories by GIM Leasehold Type --- I have altered the entry on Horst. I no longer think SeJ's GURPS Uplift 2nd ed and the A4P Encyclopedia are incompatible. An entry for Easter has been added. --- Terragens have 10 colonies and their homeworld lease on Earth.

Energy Independence

2004-01-22 Thread Trent Shipley
I have seen a couple of liberal foreign policy wonks say the real strategic asset in the Middle East would be energy independence. The logic goes something like this. The Middle East has four major strategic factors. 1) Petroleum. a distant 2) Israel a distant 3) Location. It's next to everyth

Uplift philosophy and demography

2004-01-25 Thread Trent Shipley
UPLIFT PHILOSOPHY AND DEMOGRAPHY Uplift Philosophy, Ethics, and Scarcity Uplift is the most important activity in Main Sequence Galactic Civilization. Among the Oxygen Breathing Order Uplift is regulated by the Galactic Uplift Institute and Tradition. Tradition further dictates that the int

Re: Uplift Timeline

2004-01-27 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 15:35, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Some comments: > > 2.8 - 2.2 BYA: Progenitors rule the galaxies in what is > > traditionally thought to be a Golden Age. Mention of 13 Galaxies. > > Records extremely sketchy. > > It seems that what is implied by the text of Contact Aliens is

Re: Uplift Timeline

2004-01-27 Thread Trent Shipley
> > > 0xY /2211 CE: First Galactic Contact. Human explorers contact > > > Tymbrimi colonists. This was 87 paktaars ago by Galactic measure. > > > > Nope. > > So it needs to be 2212 CE. BTW, what was the date the first Cosmonaut went > into space. Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space on 12 A

Re: Uplift Timeline

2004-01-27 Thread Trent Shipley
Made some changes. -- Time-Line: History of the Five Galaxies[1] G = Billion, M = Million, K = Thousand; BCE=Before Common (Terragen) Era (=BC), CE = Common (Terragen) Era (=AD); BxY = before Contact, 0xY = year of Contact (= 2211 CE), AxY = after Contact; All years

Re: Uplift Timeline

2004-01-27 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 19:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/27/2004 6:13:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > 150M BxY: Social discord over redevelopment initiates Second Gronin > Collapse. > Permanent loss of contact with two Galaxies. > > [Four and S

Re: Uplift Timeline

2004-01-27 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 19:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/27/2004 6:13:59 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > 150M BxY: Social discord over redevelopment initiates Second Gronin > Collapse. > Permanent loss of contact with two Galaxies. > > [Four and S

Re: Uplift Timeline

2004-01-27 Thread Trent Shipley
Yet more revisions. This time related to sundering-knitting. One snarky remark I am already starting to regret. -- Time-Line: History of the Five Galaxies[1] G = Billion, M = Million, K = Thousand; BCE=Before Common (Terragen) Era (=BC), CE = Common (Terragen) Era (=AD); BxY = before Con

Re: Uplift Timeline

2004-01-27 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2004-01-27 22:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 1/27/2004 8:59:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > 60M BxY: The three core galaxies re-establish contact with Andromeda and > > the > > Milky Way that were "lost" at about 150M BxY. This is a

Re: Uplift Timeline

2004-01-29 Thread Trent Shipley
The timeline has been very slightly modified to accomodate two literary coincidences that should bother no one but Alberto. 1492: Discovery of the Americas 1961: Yuri Gagarin in space 2211: First contact, 500 years after 1961 2492: Action resumes with the next Uplift Novel, 1000 years after disc

Re: Uplift Timeline

2004-01-29 Thread Trent Shipley
s and sex! http://www.fossilmall.com/Science/Paleontology/Geological_Time.htm On Wednesday 2004-01-28 19:23, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Trent Shipley wrote: > >> Why not add the following: > >> > >> 545 MYA: Diversity is artificially induced in many worlds, includ

Re: Tg Territories

2004-01-29 Thread Trent Shipley
On Thursday 2004-01-29 05:46, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Trent Shipley wrote: > > Various Terragen Confederation Territories by GIM Leasehold Type > > I have just found the "missing" colonies. There's no need to place > Easter around Alpha Centauri :-) > > In

Re: Uplift Timeline

2004-01-29 Thread Trent Shipley
The timeline has been very slightly modified to accomodate two literary coincidences that should bother no one but Alberto. 1492: Discovery of the Americas 1961: Yuri Gagarin in space 2211: First contact, 500 years after 1961 (Over Alberto M.'s vigorous objection that it should remain 2212.) 24

Re: Br!n: LotR and Conservatives

2004-01-29 Thread Trent Shipley
> Still, I do know this. The democrats are varied. > You'll get some bright, some not. But the Goppers > have driven away all the homosapiens from their upper > echelons. There are no more Dwight Eisenhowers and > Barry Goldwaters. It's all frat boys, top to bottom. 1) From Jefferson to Kerry,

Lith ab-Lesh

2004-02-02 Thread Trent Shipley
Lith ab-Lesh ab-Erbl ab-Kosh ab-Rosh ab-Tothtoon The Lesh were fortunate enough to follow the Clan Tothtoon ideal of uplifting three clients. The Lith were to be the last and greatest Lesh uplift project. Even with the arrival of the Heebi as foster clients, Lith remain the Lesh heir-appare

Re: Lith ab-Lesh

2004-02-02 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2004-02-02 07:42, Julia Thompson wrote: > Trent Shipley wrote: > > Just to make things interesting, Lith find > > their nesting housemates highly charisma. > > > > Should

Uplift Patronymics

2004-02-02 Thread Trent Shipley
a modification of http://www.geocities.com/allianceforprogress/encyclopedia/galpolitics/patronym.html This is needed for a planned writeup on the Heebi. == Rules of Patronymics a- used in patronymics to indicate (any sub-set of) a race in

Heebi ab-Lesh

2004-02-04 Thread Trent Shipley
Heebi ab-Lesh ab-Erbl ab-Kosh ab-Rosh ab-Tothtoon wol:ab-J'8lek ab-Khilp ab-Brawch When the very successful and respected Lesh began the Lith uplift project they expected that they were uplifting their last client. The Lesh, through little effort of their own became the foster patrons to t

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-15 Thread Trent Shipley
The gay marriage debate has caused me to reconsider government sponsorship of straight marriage. Marriage is a religious concept and government laws about _per se_ marriage violate the no-establishment clause. Government does need to regulate child custody, inheritance and so forth. Therefore

Canaan Colonies (was Tg Territories)

2004-02-15 Thread Trent Shipley
GU2 Defines them as Horst and Deemi. We could probably add Easter to this list. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2004-02-15 12:19, Jim Sharkey wrote: > Michael Harney wrote: > >There is a possibility that the issue of gay marriage may be > >presented before the citizens of the United States for a vote. In > >such a situation it doesn't take a big leap from not feeling > >comfortable with gay marriag

Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-15 Thread Trent Shipley
> I always imagined that at some point Charlene and I would face some > questions from the kids about why they live together, etc., but it hasn't > happened yet. Possibly because we don't treat their relationship any > differently than anyone else's, or possibly because even though our oldest > i

Changes in moral culture (was Thoughts on gay marriage?)

2004-02-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2004-02-15 16:07, Dan Minette wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage? > > > At 03:21 PM 2/15/2004 -0600 Julia Tho

Communitcation tactics(was Thoughts on gay marriage?)

2004-02-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2004-02-15 15:48, Julia Thompson wrote: > On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:23:57PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > Yes, but it can be done somewhat more gently than how it was done on > > > this list earlier today. And doing it more gently will ge

SciFi site

2004-02-15 Thread Trent Shipley
Does anyone else like Orion's Arm? http://www.orionsarm.com/main.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Definition of a Christian Fundamentalist

2004-02-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2004-02-16 15:05, iaamoac wrote: > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > I'm going to be doing some analysis using numbers, but I want to be > > sure > > > that there isn't an arguement on what a Christian fundamentalist > > is. I'd > > > say that a C

Re: Definition of a Christian Fundamentalist

2004-02-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2004-02-16 18:10, Dan Minette wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "iaamoac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: Definition of a Christian Fundamentalist > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Dan

Re: Definition of a Christian Fundamentalist

2004-02-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2004-02-16 18:46, Dan Minette wrote: > OK, let me quote some numbers: > > . > > "I'm going to ask about a few stories in the Bible. [See below.] Do you > think that's literally true, meaning it happened that way word-for-word; or > do you think it's meant as a lesson, but not to be

Re: Irregulars Question: OpenGL

2004-02-17 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2004-02-17 06:57, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > I must be doing something _really_ stupid, but why I can't draw > even a simple tetrahedron with OpenGL? One of the faces does > not show :-/ > > Is there any magic word that I must utter before it works? > > Alberto Monteiro > > __

Re: Lith ab-Lesh

2004-02-20 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2004-02-16 18:24, Deborah Harrell wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > What is the proper scientific way to say that an > > >creature looks similar > > > to a Terran animal? Analogous (sp)? > > > > Saem > > Superfluous Analogous Evolutionary Matc

Fwd: Govt Linux Servers Easier to Crack than Gov't Windows Servers

2004-02-21 Thread Trent Shipley
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Govt Linux Servers Easier to Crack than Gov't Windows Servers Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:58:57 -0600 From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "xBrin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <> It's al

empire time: a bedtime story

2004-02-28 Thread Trent Shipley
[This goes against conventional wisdom on the Orion's Arm world building list. Why?] Once upon a time there was a place called Origin, a ship called Relative, and a cute little wormhole with two terminii called Wormy. One day Origin on a whim asked Relative to take one terminus of Wormy on a

Libertarianism, Social Darwinism, Syndico-Anarchism, and Utilitarianism.

2004-03-01 Thread Trent Shipley
I can make a clear distinction between libertarianism and syndico-anarchism that has been making a comeback. Also, I tend to equate libertariansim with social darwinism. Though both have different histories and rationales both political-economic camps tend to produce identical results. Howeve

Re: Libertarianism, Social Darwinism, Syndico-Anarchism, and Utilitarianism.

2004-03-01 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2004-03-01 16:39, Julia Thompson wrote: > Trent Shipley wrote: > > I can make a clear distinction between libertarianism and > > syndico-anarchism that has been making a comeback. > > Can you define syndico-anarchism for me? > > Thank you. > > Ju

Re: Stirling engine queries

2004-03-03 Thread Trent Shipley
On Wednesday 2004-03-03 09:58, Robert J. Chassell wrote: > Could Stirling engines have been developed for airship or hybrid car > use in the 1910 - 1920 period, or was the technology of the time too > primitive? > > Could such engines have been developed 20 years later? > I think that inte

Re: Stirling engine queries

2004-03-06 Thread Trent Shipley
On Saturday 2004-03-06 18:16, Robert J. Chassell wrote: > Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, > > Given the technology of the times, what do you think would have been > the power to weight ratio of a Stirling engine whose fluid was, say > compressed hydrogen at 3000 lbs/

Re: Br!n: Key Human-Brain Gene Found

2004-03-10 Thread Trent Shipley
On Wednesday 2004-03-10 21:53, Julia Thompson wrote: > The Fool wrote: > > > From: Davd Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I recall from last year another gene that they discovered that caused > > mice brains to become highly folded (like a human brain) instead of being > > 'flat'. > > > > > But the not

Amend list guidelines

2004-03-13 Thread Trent Shipley
Resolved: articles in the list guidelines are arbitrary, censorious, applied capriciously, and irrelevant given the evolving nature of the list. # Personal attacks, whether direct or indirect are not welcome. These should be handled off list, and if you disagree with some controversial point,

Re: Amend list guidelines

2004-03-13 Thread Trent Shipley
On Saturday 2004-03-13 13:46, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 01:35:55PM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: > > Rhetorical attacks on persons are commonplace. The list owners > > expect personal attacks to be confined to the list. No list member > > will directly e-

Re: Amend list guidelines

2004-03-13 Thread Trent Shipley
On Saturday 2004-03-13 19:41, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2004 at 02:24:18PM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: > > Is there a second? > > No, too complicated by far. If we must have a guideline, I suggest just > one, short and simple. Something like "Please be tolerant

Re: Brin Shipley, Jones, et al: Horst. Added details re GURPS

2004-03-14 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2004-03-14 06:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I want to use Horst as the location for the short story, "The Kidding Stays > in the Tytlal." > > Timeframe: First tentative Terragens Council exploration party prior to > accepting a lease to the planet. The A4P, GU2, and conversations I've h

Re: If not Horst, how about Deemi

2004-03-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2004-03-16 11:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The quotes from GU2 have internal problems. > > > GU2: page 135 > > > > When it was determined that the ecosphere would collapse without > > intervention, the Institute decided to turn Horst over to a new tenant. > > The next race in > >

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-04-02 00:04, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:08:07PM -0800, David Land wrote: > > Sorry, but I feel compelled to state that Islam didn't hang mutilated > > corpses from bridges or dance around the bridge or chant "death to > > Americans." A mob of deranged people did

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-02 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-04-02 16:07, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 12:55:41PM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: > > The mutilation of American bodies was a very *intentional* insult. > > The desecration needs to be understood from the perspective of > > an honor system rather

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-03 Thread Trent Shipley
On Saturday 2004-04-03 04:48, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 10:04:03PM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: > > cannot be answered without more detailed information. Also, framing > > the question an "either irreligious or very religious" is to put forth > &

Re: Daylight saving time

2004-04-03 Thread Trent Shipley
On Saturday 2004-04-03 17:58, Robert J. Chassell wrote: > [In large parts of the US, daylight savings time comes into effect > tonight, before dawn of the first Sunday in April.] > > I just discovered I have to reset 8 clocks and one watch tonight. Whoo-hoo! In Arizona we do not have daylight sav

Re: Daylight saving time

2004-04-04 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2004-04-04 13:23, Robert J. Chassell wrote: > Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > (My sister lived in Arizona for some years. She says that the reason > Arizona does not change is to minimize changes for tourists who come > to Arizona: in one season, North Easterners, in ano

Re: Winning the War on Terror

2004-04-06 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2004-04-05 23:35, Andrew Paul wrote: > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Dan Minette wrote: > And I hope they are better off, cos that seems to be only shred of > justification left for this war, so it would be nice if we got that right. Justifications: -- Ene

Re: Alternate History

2004-04-14 Thread Trent Shipley
On Wednesday 2004-04-14 12:59, Thomas Beck wrote: > > Are you arguing that one American life is worth more than 10, 100, > > 1000, > > 10,000 lives in Iraq? I hope not, but this post makes it sound to me > > that > > you do. Clarification would be appreciated...especially if I > > misunderstood >

Re: Fundamental issues with open source software

2004-04-14 Thread Trent Shipley
On Wednesday 2004-04-14 20:00, Julia Thompson wrote: > Article at > http://firstmonday.org/issues/issue9_4/levesque/index.html > > I'm interested in anything folks here can add about open source > software, either from a user's point of view or a developer's point of > view. Or if someone has a re

Re: Brin: Stuff for the Gurps Uplift Site.

2003-06-17 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2003-06-17 12:37, d.brin wrote: > Dear Trent, > > I am sorry to hear about the employment situation. Wish I could help. > > I can well understand wanting to move on to other interests. Is A4P > stored and available online? If so, would you like to allow gamers > access to its trove of

Re: Great Library URL?

2003-06-18 Thread Trent Shipley
Galaxies? > > http://personal.vineyard.net/robinson/library/welcome.htm > > gives a message that it moved to > > http://www.islanderis.net/users/timbo/library > > but that URL does not work at all. -- Trent Shipley phone:602.375.8683 cell:602.413.9837 mail:[EMAIL PRO

Re: Trickle down vrs trickle up economics

2003-07-20 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2003-07-20 14:36, Robert J. Chassell wrote: > trickle down: more money to the rich > > > The argument for giving more money to the rich than to the poor is > that the rich save more. (That is to say, they save a higher portion of > additional income;

Re: Trickle down vrs trickle up economics

2003-07-21 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2003-07-20 18:54, Kevin Tarr wrote: > From: Trent Shipley > > >In the US a huge problem with all 'trickle up' policies is that they > > require legislative intervention. Laizie Faire (sp?) economic systems > > stabilize with huge income an

Re: Trickle down vrs trickle up economics

2003-07-21 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2003-07-21 03:57, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:15:47AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: > > The real problem with "share the wealth, trickle up" programs, besides > > the fact that it might be immoral to tax the rich, is that they slow > > g

Re: Bible scholars rejoice at signs

2003-03-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Saturday 2003-03-15 09:54, Julia Thompson wrote: > The Fool wrote: > > More problematic is the fatalistic worldview of apocalyptic thinking, > > Hill said. Many who obsess about the end of the world fail to enjoy the > > life they have or reach out to help others in an effort to improve > > soci

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-11 Thread Trent Shipley
What is your point? That is economics, supply and demand. You can try to do something about it, but in the end it will only make things worse. The real answer is a global market in labor. Nations and patriotism are evil things. On Thursday 2003-09-11 21:59, Jan Coffey wrote: > --- Alberto Mo

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-13 Thread Trent Shipley
Yeah? So join a union or quit whining. On Saturday 2003-09-13 11:47, Jan Coffey wrote: > --- Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jan Coffey wrote: > > > > [[BTW: you were so angry when you replied that it > > showed in many typographical errors...]] > > You should never make such assu

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-14 Thread Trent Shipley
Just my point. Historically, upper-echelon IT workers have been very liberterian and anti-union. Serves 'em right. (telecom workers are another matter) On Sunday 2003-09-14 03:46, The Fool wrote: > > From: Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Yeah? &g

Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia

2003-10-27 Thread Trent Shipley
t;My one disadvantage is my skill at designing graphics: hardly worth > >>mentioning. Creating something simple like a button for a website does > >> not pose a problem, but that is pretty much where it ends. I do not > >> believe that this should pose a real problem though.

Re: [A4P] Change of address

2003-11-24 Thread Trent Shipley
I have removed my site. If you have links, please update them to point to Matt's site. Congratulations to Matt Lundstrom, the new A4P Encyclopedia Editor in Chief. > As of now the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia is available at > http://www.geocities.com/allianceforprogress (update your book

Re: Br!n: and now the TV series are pirateeing your characters!

2003-12-04 Thread Trent Shipley
Can the estate of Edgar Rice Burroughs sue for the use of "John Carter ... of Mars"? On Thursday 2003-12-04 20:05, Davd Brin wrote: > Heh! tell me if he is... well... 'colored' > > --- Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the 10th season of E.R., one of the > > student-medicals

Lesh

2003-12-12 Thread Trent Shipley
At least it is on topic. - Lesh ab-Tothtoon ab-Rosh ab-Kosh ab-Erbl ul-Zhuup ul-Vijls ul-Lith ul-Heebi The Lesh are at the pinnacle of their career as a main-sequence species. Staunch membe

Re: Lesh

2003-12-13 Thread Trent Shipley
On Saturday 2003-12-13 05:36, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Trent Shipley wrote: > > Lesh ab-Tothtoon ab-Rosh ab-Kosh ab-Erbl > > ul-Zhuup ul-Vijls ul-Lith ul-Heebi > > Erbl? Erbl uplifted them? I picked "Erbl" because I thought it was an unused nonsense word.

Notes on Junior Members of Clan Thennanin

2003-12-13 Thread Trent Shipley
Thennanin [patronym specified] Paimin [patronym specified] Pah [patronym specified] Girpaimin [patronym specified] Nus [patronym specified] Kraraton [patronym specified] Rammin [patronym specified]

Re: Notes on Junior Members of Clan Thennanin

2003-12-13 Thread Trent Shipley
> I want our good Dr. Brin to contradict GURPS--again! > > The Garthlings chose their own cohorts, numans and chimpanzees. > > Clearly in violation of the rules as set up by GURPS. I don't think its in violation of GURPS rules. Its just a violation of standard behavior. Few pre-level-one cli

Non-PC Humor from other lands

2003-12-20 Thread Trent Shipley
This was retold by VS Naipaul: In days of yore the Shah is reviewing the troops. He holds a rifle before a private and asks, "Soldier what is your name?" "Private Ahmed, your highness!" He takes Ahmed's rifle and examines it. "What is this Private Ahmad?" "It is my rifle Sir!" The Shah says

Notes on Uplift

2003-12-21 Thread Trent Shipley
Naturally, since I stopped publishing the Encyclopedia, I have had a burst of creativity with Uplift Universe created topics. One topic leads to another. In the course of thinking about the Tothtoon, the question arises of how uplift, in a political and demographic sense works. The first ques

Re: christianism is evil, why it must be eradicated

2003-12-21 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2003-12-21 16:38, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > I read a note in a br newspaper yesterday, and it basically said > something like this: "hey, folks, you think the USA is a christian > country, but it's not; in fact, christians have been persecuted > with violence, with the g*vernment approval

Re: Notes on Uplift

2003-12-21 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2003-12-21 18:28, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Trent Shipley wrote: > > The first questions that come to mind are for the interval in question > > how many O-2 habitable planets are there, how many of them are currently > > leased for habitation, and how many uplif

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