Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:50 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: I wasn't clear. They don't understand enough about what is being regulated to enforce the laws. The laws are very clear to me; its how one interprets these clear laws in the light of facts that are far too c

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-13 Thread Lance A. Brown
Jo Anne said the following on 8/12/2009 9:04 PM: > Also, when we had a H.S.A., it expired after a > year. We had to use everything in the account within the year or it was > gone. You have to look deep into your crystal ball to decide exactly how > much heath savings you need each year. Jo Anne,

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-13 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Aug 12, 2009, at 8:30 PM, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote: Compassion, folks. IAAMOAC. And remember .. http://xkcd.com/386/ .. because it's always, *always*, true. :D "When you mention that we want five debates, say what they are: one on the economy, one on foreign policy, with anot

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Dan M wrote: No, that is the fault of the laws as written. The problem with the court system is that they do not understand enough to enforce the laws as written. There is also the problem of laws written by people who often fail to anticipate the unintended

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread David Hobby
Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Dan M wrote: No, that is the fault of the laws as written. The problem with the court system is that they do not understand enough to enforce the laws as written. There is also the problem of laws written by people who often fail to antic

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread Lance A. Brown
Bruce Bostwick wrote: > I still think version control, requirements management, and user > acceptance testing have very definite roles to play in the development > of legislation, and I'd still like to see alpha and beta level testing > with bug tracking, or a very close analogue, employed in the r

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread Chris Frandsen
Wow, a mention of science fiction! On this list of all places:-) The first sci fi read to me was Heinlein's Have Spacesuit, Will Travel and Starship Troopers was almost a life guide. I did go to West Point and believe in government service. I think everyone should do at least 18 months in

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-13 Thread Chris Frandsen
Actually, I believe that the US WWII generation did more to improve healthcare around the world than any nation in the history of the world, especially when they were riding the gravy train in the 1950's and 60's. (US medicine and transportation of food surpluses probably did more to creat

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Bruce Bostwick quoted: > > Heard from a flight instructor: > "The only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask, resulting in my > going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst > of torn and twisted metal." > This seems like a Heinlein quote to me. Alberto Monteiro the l

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-13 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 12, 2009, at 6:19 PM, John Williams wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Dave Land wrote: Other than various charities, there isn't a world "government" (i.e., a "mutually agreed-upon means by which people can pitch in to help each other out") through which I can "redistribute weal

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-13 Thread Jo Anne
OK, group, those of you who've been acquainted with me over the years know I believe in communication above all. I believe John has a right to express his opinion. If I sound crankier than usual, it's because I am. This debate is one of the most important we can have in this country right now, s

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-13 Thread Jo Anne
[Lance] wrote: > Jo Anne, did you have an HSA or a health care flexible spending account? > Flexible spending accounts have a pre-selected amount of pre-tax > dollars set aside that you can then spend on non-covered medical > expenses. Those funds "expires" at the end of the calendar year. I > t

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 12 Aug 2009 at 10:56, John Williams wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Dan M wrote: > > > John, would you agree that some sort of community system, like the courts, > > are necessary to resolve disputes over true ownership of property, > > contracts, and the like? > > Necessary, no, I

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread Charlie Bell
On 14/08/2009, at 1:53 AM, Lance A. Brown wrote: Bruce Bostwick wrote: I still think version control, requirements management, and user acceptance testing have very definite roles to play in the development of legislation, and I'd still like to see alpha and beta level testing with bug tra

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-13 Thread John Williams
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Chris Frandsen wrote: >  My generation has become noticeably stingier as our balance of trade swung > around from crazy black to very red, starting with Nixon.  Now it appears > some do not even think we can care for our own people Our "own people"? Who would that

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread John Williams
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Chris Frandsen wrote: > Now what is your attitude towards passing your wealth on to family members? None of my business, unless it is my wealth. Right now, most of my estate is slated to go to a couple charities I favor. I doubt I will change that significantly (p

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread John Williams
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:36 AM, David Hobby wrote: > I'd argue that the patent laws are not that poorly > written, the problem is that there's latitude in > their interpretation.  I think that may be an > unavoidable problem. Are you including the patents themselves in "patent laws"? Because I t

Re: A Real Free Market in Health Care

2009-08-13 Thread Nick Arnett
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, John Williams wrote: > > "It is ethical to take wealth from some people in order to help other > people with less resources, but only if all of those people are in the > same political boundary"? Another straw man. Developed countries put about $120 billion into

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread Chris Frandsen
On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:29 PM, John Williams wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Chris Frandsen wrote: Now what is your attitude towards passing your wealth on to family members? None of my business, unless it is my wealth. Right now, most of my estate is slated to go to a couple chari

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread David Hobby
John Williams wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:36 AM, David Hobby wrote: I'd argue that the patent laws are not that poorly written, the problem is that there's latitude in their interpretation. I think that may be an unavoidable problem. Are you including the patents themselves in "patent l

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread John Williams
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM, David Hobby wrote: > I doubt that "would otherwise have been kept secret" > is going to be a useful criterion for when a patent > should be granted.  How do you propose to tell when > that's the case? Easily, when you look at the reverse: when would it obviously N

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread John Williams
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Chris Frandsen wrote: > Okay. However if a corporation or a family group infringes on the health of > my family by polluting a stream I drink from doesn't it become "my business" > ? How you personally handle such a situation? I would not handle that personally. I

Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market

2009-08-13 Thread John Williams
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM, David Hobby wrote: > You may find that > things won't work out as neatly as you hoped. What ever gave you the idea that I want things to work out "neatly"? Messy, quirky, diverse, surprising, unpredictable, they're all good (as long as coercion is minimal). > As

Uplift Fan Fiction

2009-08-13 Thread Trent Shipley
A while back there was a thread on the list about people wanting David Brin to write more Uplift fiction. Back when I was writing the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia I wrote some Fan-Fic history and fiction--the longer works I never finished. A few people wrote and said they liked what I had w