Patrick said:
> It's kind of like playing with that old Eliza computer program. Anyone
> remember that?
From: Richard Baker
] Why do you say "anyone remember that?"?
How do you feel when you read "Why do you say "anyone remember that?"?"?
-- Matt
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From: Jo Anne evens...@hevanet.com
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:14:29 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
Doug wrote:
>> Has he been arrogant at times? Maybe, but that sort of thing is
difficult
Rob wrote:
>
Bruce wrote:
>> (Type mismatch error: expected boolean value but found string 'cake'.
>> Input not parsed.)
>
> The cake is a lie?
Apparently the cake is neither true nor false.
Doug
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On 8/18/2009 4:22:27 PM, Bruce Bostwick (lihan161...@sbcglobal.net) wrote:
> Yeah, Eliza and Parry could be quite entertaining if they talked to
> each other.
>
> Eliza and Racter could be too, but Eliza
> didn't get to say much in
> those conversations ..
>
> On Aug 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Patric
Yeah, Eliza and Parry could be quite entertaining if they talked to
each other.
Eliza and Racter could be too, but Eliza didn't get to say much in
those conversations ..
On Aug 18, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Patrick Sweeney wrote:
It's kind of like playing with that old Eliza computer program. Any
Patrick said:
It's a put-on. And it's a put-on anyone who's been on the Internet for
more than 5 minutes has seen dozens of times. The repetitive "I'm just
asking questions to try to understand," the feigned cluelessness, the
detached pose, the deliberate obtuseness ... it's all carefully
calcul
It's a put-on. And it's a put-on anyone who's been on the Internet for
more than 5 minutes has seen dozens of times. The repetitive "I'm just
asking questions to try to understand," the feigned cluelessness, the
detached pose, the deliberate obtuseness ... it's all carefully
calculated to do one th
Doug wrote:
>Now see, I guess I dont understand what passive-aggressive means because I
>would think that his confrontational, >sometimes sarcastic style has any
>passivity to it.
I see it differently, perhaps. "Passive-agressive" may not be the right
clinical term here, but I find repeated
Jim wrote:
>
> The passive-agressive posts, though? I don't mind admitting that kind of
> stuff gets under my skin.
>
> Jim
> Admitting weakness maru
>
Now see, I guess I don't understand what passive-aggressive means because I
would think that his confrontational, sometimes sarcastic style has
John Williams wrote:
>I would go with lazy more than ignorant
I think that intellectual laziness leads to stupidity, though. How can live
your whole life in this country and not know Medicare is a government program,
to cite one of Maher's examples? Let alone not know there are two senators pe
Doug wrote:
>Has he been arrogant at times?
The arrogance doesn't fuss me; there's far too many brainy people here to
expect excessive modesty. :-)
The passive-agressive posts, though? I don't mind admitting that kind of stuff
gets under my skin.
Jim
Admitting weakness maru
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Rob wrote:
>"We" are the entertainment
Well, if it makes you happy to think so... :-p
Jim
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> From: lear...@mac.com
> To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
> Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:25:51 -0500
>
> I am just a lurker here. I seldom post. I follow for information and
> to watch debates unfold. To help me
I am just a lurker here. I seldom post. I follow for information and
to watch debates unfold. To help me make up my mind on some of the
issues discussed.
I personally am not getting much out of the John Williams threads at
this moment. Discussing the history, legitimacy and quality of
disc
Doug wrote:
> Has he been arrogant at times? Maybe, but that sort of thing is difficult
> to judge via email. One can often sound arrogant or diffident or whiny and
> not really mean to. But if arrogance was the criteria by which we judged
> people for their on list fitness, how long would JDG
Richard wrote:
>
>
> A few people have been removed, a couple of them long term listees and one
>> was a moderator here. We definitely are not queasy when it comes to pulling
>> the pin.
>>
>
> I'm definitely queasy about it, but I guess I'm not part of "we".
>
I'm queasy as well. To my knowled
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
> On the Americans are stupid issue, I would agree somewhat, but I would use
> the terms ignorant and/or intellectualy lazy rather than stupid.
I would go with lazy more than ignorant, even though ignorant may be
technically accurate, I tend
Rob said:
A few people have been removed, a couple of them long term listees
and one was a moderator here. We definitely are not queasy when it
comes to pulling the pin.
I'm definitely queasy about it, but I guess I'm not part of "we".
Rich
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On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, John Williams wrote:
> It is interesting what some people find rude which does not seem rude
> to others. I suspect that a neutral observer would look at my posts
> during the last few weeks and judge that they are not at all rude. I
> have been asking some uncomf
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:15 PM, xponentrob wrote:
> No one particular cares how many lurkers there are.
I care, that is why I asked.
> It is pretty much the same as using "we" when speaking for Americans even
> though Americans are very diverse there is still considerable commonality.
Usually
On 8/17/2009 11:04:59 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM, xponentrob
> wrote:
>
> > But no, I do not give you the benefit of the doubt. I think I have you
> pegged as exactly the kind of intentionally obtuse person you appear to be.
>
>
> My apo
On 8/17/2009 11:03:58 PM, Trent Shipley (tship...@deru.com) wrote:
> > No, when I say "we" in this context, I mean that "we" have in the past
> booted people from the list as a group in most cases. There being no one
> person in particular one can suck up to in order to avoid consequences, it
> be
John Williams wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM, xponentrob wrote:
>
>> But no, I do not give you the benefit of the doubt. I think I have you
>> pegged as exactly the kind of intentionally obtuse person you appear to be.
>
> My apologies for not being as perceptive as you are.
>
>> No,
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From: "John Williams"
To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion"
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
>
>> W
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM, xponentrob wrote:
> But no, I do not give you the benefit of the doubt. I think I have you pegged
> as exactly the kind of intentionally obtuse person you appear to be.
My apologies for not being as perceptive as you are.
> No, when I say "we" in this context, I
> No, when I say "we" in this context, I mean that "we" have in the past booted
> people from the list as a group in most cases. There being no one person in
> particular one can suck up to in order to avoid consequences, it behooves
> everyone to be "generally" inoffensive. A few people have b
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From: "John Williams"
To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion"
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
>>
>
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:24 PM, David Hobby wrote:
> I note you snipped the etiquette guidelines. : )
I did snip it. I did read it.
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John Williams wrote:
...
We don't like straw men or trolls
...
There's that "we" several more times. How many people subscribe to this
email list, and how many of them do you speak for when you say "we"? How
did you determine that these people have that view?
You're not going to claim that all
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:54 PM, David Hobby wrote:
> John Williams wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
>>
>>> We have a sense of community here, along with the usual collaterals of
>>> explicit and implicit standards of behavior and discourse. We do,
>>> indeed.
>>> W
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
>
> On 8/17/2009 9:12:11 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Rceeberger
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 8/17/2009 8:48:30 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:3
John Williams wrote:
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
We have a sense of community here, along with the usual collaterals of
explicit and implicit standards of behavior and discourse. We do, indeed.
We don't like straw men or trolls (which I can't help observing are at two
r
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:25 PM, John Williams
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
>>
>> > We have a sense of community here, along with the usual collaterals of
>> > explicit and implicit standards of behavio
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:25 PM, John Williams wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
>
> > We have a sense of community here, along with the usual collaterals of
> > explicit and implicit standards of behavior and discourse. We do,
> indeed.
> > We don't like straw men or t
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
> We have a sense of community here, along with the usual collaterals of
> explicit and implicit standards of behavior and discourse. We do, indeed.
> We don't like straw men or trolls (which I can't help observing are at two
> rather opposite e
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:02 PM, John Williams wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David Hobby wrote:
>
> > Hi. Seriously, are you trolling, or just
> > dense? : ) We rank respect the way most communities
> > do--completely informally.
>
> Not trolling. Possibly dense. There is that refe
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
>
> On 8/17/2009 8:48:30 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Rceeberger
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Your statement reads quite humorously.
>>
>> That's great! Apparently there is a fine line between humorous
On 8/17/2009 8:48:30 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Rceeberger
> wrote:
>
> > Your statement reads quite humorously.
>
> That's great! Apparently there is a fine line between humorous and
> rude and sincere. Feel free to give my posts the be
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
> Your statement reads quite humorously.
That's great! Apparently there is a fine line between humorous and
rude and sincere. Feel free to give my posts the benefit of the
doubt...
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On 8/17/2009 8:04:00 PM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM, David Hobby wrote:
>
> > That doesn't really prove anything. For instance,
> > a flame war would produce a large number of posts,
> > but one could hardly call that communication.
>
> Of co
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:38 PM, David Hobby wrote:
> That doesn't really prove anything. For instance,
> a flame war would produce a large number of posts,
> but one could hardly call that communication.
Of course it does not prove anything, but it is highly suggestive.
While you no doubt have
John Williams wrote:
It is interesting what some people find rude which does not seem rude
to others. I suspect that a neutral observer would look at my posts
during the last few weeks and judge that they are not at all rude. I
have been asking some uncomfortable questions, but not making any
obv
It is interesting what some people find rude which does not seem rude
to others. I suspect that a neutral observer would look at my posts
during the last few weeks and judge that they are not at all rude. I
have been asking some uncomfortable questions, but not making any
obviously rude remarks.
T
Doug Pensinger wrote (in html, and it's a hell to reformat):
>
>> I do occasionally blow up. Once when I was accused of racism,
>> once when a private discussion I'd had with someone was forwarded
>> to the list, and ISTR Nick and I talking completely at
>> cross-purposes. I was really annoyed on F
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:02 PM, John Williams wrote:
> So, you consider his post to me thoughtful, constructive, and worthy of
> respect?
Yes.
Martin
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:52 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
> OK, I fear this won't work, but I'm going to try.
Work? How does it "work"?
> So, you can decide that everyone else is crazy or you can decide that there
> are areas that you can learn more about.
I choose the third one.
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From: Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:19:16 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
> Obama, yesterday, was right on target when he said there was no single
> silver bull
Trent Shipley wrote:
>> Obama, yesterday, was right on target when he said there was no single
>> silver bullet for this problem. But, we do know things can be better,
>> because we are paying twice as much as the average developed country per
>> person with worse than average results.
>
> I have
On 16 Aug 2009 at 11:45, dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
> >FWIW the _Atlantic_ article is well worth reading carefully. I've
> >already forwarded the link with my recommendation to a couple of
> >other lists, and got a couple of comments back.
>
> The problems the article lists are r
> Obama, yesterday, was right on target when he said there was no single
> silver bullet for this problem. But, we do know things can be better,
> because we are paying twice as much as the average developed country per
> person with worse than average results.
I have heard, but have been too la
On 15 Aug 2009 at 20:00, John Williams wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM,
> dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > That's a true statementbut the problem with failure with radically new
> > government is that the failures are horrid: (e.g. the French Revolution,
> > the Cultural Revolu
John Williams wrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David Hobby wrote:
...
Yes, Charlie is someone I respect. His posts are
thoughtful, and when he argues, he does it in a fair
and constructive way.
So, you consider his post to me thoughtful, constructive, and worthy of respect?
That one
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:15 AM, David Hobby wrote:
> Hi. Seriously, are you trolling, or just
> dense? : ) We rank respect the way most communities
> do--completely informally.
Not trolling. Possibly dense. There is that reference to "we" again,
which is what led me to believe that there was
>FWIW the _Atlantic_ article is well worth reading carefully. I've
>already forwarded the link with my recommendation to a couple of
>other lists, and got a couple of comments back.
The problems the article lists are real; I won't argue that the present
system is really messed up. However,
At 10:15 AM Sunday 8/16/2009, David Hobby wrote:
John Williams wrote:
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
One would have to be quite dense to not notice after over a decade
on the list.
Once again, your default position is to assume that others are stupid.
Do you actually thin
Rob wrote:
>
>LOL.I'm the cellar dweller!
Yea, that's true, but we know why. That's where all the best list wines
are kept.
Dan M.
mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web
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On 16/08/2009, at 5:46 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Charlie wrote:
I do occasionally blow up. Once when I was accused of racism, once
when a private discussion I'd had with someone was forwarded to the
list, and ISTR Nick and I talking completely at cross-purposes. I
was really annoyed on
Charlie wrote:
>
> I do occasionally blow up. Once when I was accused of racism, once when a
> private discussion I'd had with someone was forwarded to the list, and ISTR
> Nick and I talking completely at cross-purposes. I was really annoyed on
> Friday night, partly 'cause I'd got home after dr
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
> One would have to be quite dense to not notice after over a decade on the
> list.
> Once again, your default position is to assume that others are stupid.
> Do you actually think your feeble attempts to place others in a defensive
> position
Dan wrote:
>
> One thing to remember about experimentation: 99.99% of experiments fail;
What's the criteria for success? An experimental form of governance (or
some aspect of governance) may not yield a completely successful law or
system of laws, but I'm relatively certain that important kn
On 8/16/2009 1:09:53 AM, John Williams (jwilliams4...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Rceeberger
> wrote:
>
> > It is worth noting that "this guy" is one of the most respected members
> on this list
>
> Decide that with a vote, did you?
One would have to be quite dense to n
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
> It is worth noting that "this guy" is one of the most respected members on
> this list
Decide that with a vote, did you?
He seems rather a hot-head to me. I was going to ask him to explain
what set him off, but evidently he would rather call
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
> That's a true statementbut the problem with failure with radically new
> government is that the failures are horrid: (e.g. the French Revolution,
> the Cultural Revolution, Pot Pol).
Which suggests that we need lots of very s
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Chris Frandsen wrote:
>
> I do agree that there is little experimentation going on right now in
> government. One of the best reasons for getting humanity out into space is
> to allow that experimentation to begin again.
It does seem like there is a lot more lati
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 7:26 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
> One thing to remember about experimentation: 99.99% of experiments fail;
Which suggests we need a lot of experiments to get successes!
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>I do agree that there is little experimentation going on right now in
>government. One of the best reasons for getting humanity out into
>space is to allow that experimentation to begin again.
One thing to remember about experimentation: 99.99% of experiments fail;
they do not achieve the
On Aug 13, 2009, at 11:10 PM, John Williams wrote:
What ever gave you the idea that I want things to work out "neatly"?
Messy, quirky, diverse, surprising, unpredictable, they're all good
(as long as coercion is minimal).
I suspect that is your objective here on the list as well. Charlie may
>The most enjoyable discussions for me involve new ideas or points of view
>that I have not encountered before. People interested in SF seem to be
>more likely to have unique ideas than people who are not SF fans. Not
>that there isn't a lot of "noise" of conventional ideas mixed
>in...anyway, I w
On 14/08/2009, at 1:43 PM, John Williams wrote:
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Chris Frandsen
wrote:
Okay. However if a corporation or a family group infringes on the
health of
my family by polluting a stream I drink from doesn't it become "my
business"
? How you personally handle suc
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM, David Hobby wrote:
> You may find that
> things won't work out as neatly as you hoped.
What ever gave you the idea that I want things to work out "neatly"?
Messy, quirky, diverse, surprising, unpredictable, they're all good
(as long as coercion is minimal).
> As
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Chris Frandsen wrote:
> Okay. However if a corporation or a family group infringes on the health of
> my family by polluting a stream I drink from doesn't it become "my business"
> ? How you personally handle such a situation?
I would not handle that personally. I
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:50 PM, David Hobby wrote:
> I doubt that "would otherwise have been kept secret"
> is going to be a useful criterion for when a patent
> should be granted. How do you propose to tell when
> that's the case?
Easily, when you look at the reverse: when would it obviously N
John Williams wrote:
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:36 AM, David Hobby wrote:
I'd argue that the patent laws are not that poorly
written, the problem is that there's latitude in
their interpretation. I think that may be an
unavoidable problem.
Are you including the patents themselves in "patent l
On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:29 PM, John Williams wrote:
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Chris Frandsen
wrote:
Now what is your attitude towards passing your wealth on to family
members?
None of my business, unless it is my wealth. Right now, most of my
estate is slated to go to a couple chari
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:36 AM, David Hobby wrote:
> I'd argue that the patent laws are not that poorly
> written, the problem is that there's latitude in
> their interpretation. I think that may be an
> unavoidable problem.
Are you including the patents themselves in "patent laws"? Because I
t
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Chris Frandsen wrote:
> Now what is your attitude towards passing your wealth on to family members?
None of my business, unless it is my wealth. Right now, most of my
estate is slated to go to a couple charities I favor. I doubt I will
change that significantly (p
On 14/08/2009, at 1:53 AM, Lance A. Brown wrote:
Bruce Bostwick wrote:
I still think version control, requirements management, and user
acceptance testing have very definite roles to play in the
development
of legislation, and I'd still like to see alpha and beta level
testing
with bug tra
On 12 Aug 2009 at 10:56, John Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Dan M wrote:
>
> > John, would you agree that some sort of community system, like the courts,
> > are necessary to resolve disputes over true ownership of property,
> > contracts, and the like?
>
> Necessary, no, I
Bruce Bostwick quoted:
>
> Heard from a flight instructor:
> "The only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask, resulting in my
> going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst
> of torn and twisted metal."
>
This seems like a Heinlein quote to me.
Alberto Monteiro the l
Wow, a mention of science fiction! On this list of all places:-)
The first sci fi read to me was Heinlein's Have Spacesuit, Will Travel
and Starship Troopers was almost a life guide. I did go to West Point
and believe in government service. I think everyone should do at least
18 months in
Bruce Bostwick wrote:
> I still think version control, requirements management, and user
> acceptance testing have very definite roles to play in the development
> of legislation, and I'd still like to see alpha and beta level testing
> with bug tracking, or a very close analogue, employed in the r
Bruce Bostwick wrote:
On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Dan M wrote:
No, that is the fault of the laws as written. The problem with the court
system is that they do not understand enough to enforce the laws as
written.
There is also the problem of laws written by people who often fail to
antic
On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Dan M wrote:
No, that is the fault of the laws as written. The problem with the
court
system is that they do not understand enough to enforce the laws as
written.
There is also the problem of laws written by people who often fail to
anticipate the unintended
John Williams wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:50 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
I wasn't clear. They don't understand enough about what is being regulated
to enforce the laws. The laws are very clear to me; its how one interprets
these clear laws in the light of facts that are far too c
ersmi...@comcast.net, brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
>> OK, then why do we have so many more lawyers than much more socialistic
>> countries that have a far more complex his
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:50 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
> I wasn't clear. They don't understand enough about what is being regulated
> to enforce the laws. The laws are very clear to me; its how one interprets
> these clear laws in the light of facts that are far too complex for the
> j
Original Message:
-
From: John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:20:38 -0700
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian Free Market
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Dan M wrote:
>> No, that is the fault of the l
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
> OK, then why do we have so many more lawyers than much more socialistic
> countries that have a far more complex history of laws than the US?
I'm not really following you. Do you mean to suggest that number of
lawyers is a metric
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Dan M wrote:
> No, that is the fault of the laws as written. The problem with the court
> system is that they do not understand enough to enforce the laws as written.
Or it could be that the laws are too many and too poorly written for
the courts to efficiently e
> -Original Message-
> From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On
> Behalf Of John Williams
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:32 PM
> To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
> Subject: Re: The Role of Government in a Libertarian F
>> BTW, I chose IP gaming examples because that's what I know best. The
>> entire legal system is subject to gamingwhy do you think there are so
>> many lawyers who make so much money compared to those folks who create
>> wealth who make less?
>Thus my earlier statement that we have too many
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:08 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
> BTW, I chose IP gaming examples because that's what I know best. The
> entire legal system is subject to gamingwhy do you think there are so
> many lawyers who make so much money compared to those folks who create
> wealth wh
>Actually, I favor no patent or IP restrictions. I do not know of any
>way to prevent gaming the system, and I think the benefits of the
>system, as implemented, are outweighed by the costs, several of which
>Dan mentioned.
Lets assume that companies that innovated got nothing more than a few
mon
Trent Shipley wrote:
David Hobby wrote:
John Williams wrote:
...
Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system.
Yes. He's saying it doesn't actually work the
way you think it would, since there's latitude
for people to game the system.
How would a non-government-run p
David Hobby wrote:
> John Williams wrote:
>> #1 patent-related
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>> #2 patent-related
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>> #4 IP-related
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>> #5 patent-related
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>> Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system.
>
> Yes. He's saying it doesn't actually work the
> way you think it would, since there's
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:04 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
> No, it's the courts that decided, not the patent system itself. Enforcement
> of patents and other IP are in the courts, not through patent clerks.
So, if some politicians decided to make a law that all Texans must
have a job an
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:20 PM, David Hobby wrote:
> How would a non-government-run patent system
> (whatever it was) not be just as flawed?
> Or better, how would you design a patent system
> that did not give a significant advantage to the
> side with the best lawyers?
> (Feel free to propose
>
John Williams wrote:
#1 patent-related
#2 patent-related
#4 IP-related
#5 patent-related
Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system.
Yes. He's saying it doesn't actually work the
way you think it would, since there's latitude
for people to game the system.
How w
This went just to john instead of the list twice. I'm not sure why.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:40 PM,
dsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>>Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system.
>
> If you understood the patent system and how these issues arise, you would
> kn
#1 patent-related
#2 patent-related
#4 IP-related
#5 patent-related
Sounds like you have a problem with the government-run patent system.
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