When will appointments be made to key roles in the organization chart?
3) What have you decided about TDF membership rules?
I'm sorry to be saying this, but the lack of visible governance by TDF
is having repercussions right down the line...
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Thank you for your answers, Sophie, Charles and Italo.
I just read the Community Byelaws draft. When is this likely to be
finally adopted?
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"incorporation"?
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you would have had a draft to put before the
world right on day one.
But, of course, we don't live in the best of all possible worlds, do
we? Never mind. I'm still happy you did it, notwithstanding. Again,
thanks for your work, and more power to you. ;-)
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Hi, :-)
Could i have permission to proofread the draft community bye-laws
purely from a grammatical and punctuation viewpoint, and make the
necessary corrections, so as to eliminate these little things from
your debate, so that people can be discussing just the real meat of
the matter?
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Hi, :-)
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> thank you,
>
> Charles.
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>> Hi, :-)
>>
>> Could i have permission to proofread the draft community bye-laws
>> purely from a grammatical and punctuation vie
removed the note. :-)
It was a pleasure. Feel free to feed me more. :-)
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e rise to a difficult situation... IMHO, you would need to
establish a clear procedure for this, to avoid some tense deadlocks in
the future...
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ve done so (over
the next 24 hours, because I'm slave to a client for the coming
hours). Is that OK?
Also, I have an idea about a couple of legal experts I could contact
and, if they're willing, invite them to jump in on this thread and
maybe help arrive at some really bullet-proof by
l be taken until I have express
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inserted links where
there were cross-references in the text...
Perhaps we might be able to talk about all this in Friday's SC confcall?
HTH. ;-)
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>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 01:23, Charles-H. Schulz
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>>
>> --
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I added
t be the one to cast the first stone...
I noticed that there is no published agenda for tonight's meeting...
If I manage to stay awake, I will be there to listen in...
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It's one of the various spellings, but it's in Webster's...
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"Nonetheless" is in Webster's, too. ;-)
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Sure, OK, Charles, thank you, will do. :-)
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My humble suggestion would be to hold off on further edits until I
"check the draft in" again...?
BRB.
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e the green light to work on the page until "checking the page back
in" by a notifying mail message?
There are still some comments by Michael in there... I put them in
uppercase for easy location...
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mechanism by which community members
could call for a ballot to be cast on a motion put forward by
concerned activists (kind of like organizing a petition)? This
mechanism would then provisionally block implementation of the
contentious decision until the vote has been held. The outcome of the
vote would be
le to have sufficient authority to organize and direct work? ;-)
I think I don't understand... Could you explain, maybe, please?
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stions. But I'd be interested to hear the ideas of
Charles and the SC members about the basic idea I'm putting forward...
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orking for LibreOffice, so one should also
expect them to take their "civic rights and duties" seriously and be
ready to think about issues regularly, and to vote as often as is
necessary. At least they'll be able to claim that there is true
democracy...
Does anyone feel like answering me abou
announcement via a commonly-consulted public medium, before the
decision enters into effect."
In my very humble opinion, these final small modifications would
ensure the openness and transparency that I know you all want to
implement.
Would all this be OK?
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Hi, :-)
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> I would like -if David is done with the additions- to call for a last
> review of the text. Tomorrow morning, we will declare the bylaws
> adopted if nothing major is objected.
I put them in already. ;-)
Dav
Hi, :-)
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> (Nothing major: but I still see one occurrence of Chairman, where the
> officers are mentioned.)
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prepared things properly, and that it did not have a "draft
constitution" to put before people right at the outset. But instead of
just standing back and criticizing from a distance, I wanted to get
involved in remedying the problem.
Anyway, as we all well know, for every guy that say
y and delegate more work?
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things
to discuss.
Anyway, I know you'll do what you can, and thank you again for that.
In any case, I hope your holiday will be a good one. The site will be
in great shape when you get back. ;-)
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>
I will follow up on these
with Christian. Everyone will react with more immediacy and enthusiasm
when it's a "real" live site and not just some "dead" unvisited
staging thing.
IMHO, we need to switch over as soon as Florian is able to find the
time. Many things are depen
the fix I already requested. So
it's a temporary thing.
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>Twitter and blog in
> the "scrolling area" are ok, but I think a "news" area is more important
> than those tow.
Christian, is there a dedicated news/blogging module for SilverStripe?
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P.S. My advice would be not to get into arguments with stupid people
deliberately spamming the thread with irrelevant off-topic comments.
They do it deliberate
whether
to set this issue aside for someone else to decide about at sometime
in the future.
I hope you understand my position, guys. ;-)
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Interesting thoughts. ;-) But, actually, the site under discussion is
http://test.libreoffice.org
What are your thoughts on that one?
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project.
If you'd like a suggestion of an area to get involved in, you might
like to consider the documentation team. Do sign up for the list at
documentation+subscr...@libreoffice.org if you have time to give.
We're a small team, but we are acquiring some fine members -
Hi, :-)
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> PS this is only my opinion and i might be a little bitter and twisted nowadays
My favorite cartoon is Dilbert [1] ... At least one knows one isn't
alone in one's views. ;-D
[1] http://dilbert.com/register/
Merry Christmas, Tom. ;-)
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> hope
> you have a good time too :)
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@Bernard: you too?
@christian: you too?
If so, when can we give Nik a green light to start work? ;-)
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for you on
the site. I mailed you your password, etc. I can tutor you online
concerning working on content, if you like, via Skype. Just buzz me if
you want that. Until then, you *might* like to submit me any content
you want published, until such time as the SC takes decisions about
editorial organ
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foundation.
In any case, may I encourage you to take some clear decisions about
this over the next few days?
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ebsite and hand it back to you to
manage however you feel best. ;-)
> Does that help ? :-)
Well, it gives me an idea of you guys' position... Thanks for that...
But so far it doesn't actually help as such, no... :-D
In any case, thanks for your input. ;-)
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What do you say, guys? ;-) Can we try this experiment and see what it produces?
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I hereby request you to discuss the issue of formal adoption and
implementation of the Community Bylaws during either the next SC
confcall or - at latest - during the next-but-one SC confcall (if you
need time to prepare), and to take some formal decisions in this
respect within a short time frame
antime.
I do support TDF. I thoroughly support the values and principles
Charles wrote so admirably into the Community Bylaws. And I am very
keen to see a true and proper community life and governance started as
soon as possible. ;-)
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nce of any legal entity. They are a moral
form of governance and organization. Very little is keyed on any legal
entity as such. Therefore, may I please enjoin the SC to start with
implementation as soon as possible?
I truly hope that the dream you envisioned in the Community Bylaws you
wrote is no
t; BoD) within 3 weeks after the existence of an
official body of Community members.
When that happens, I feel sure that LibreOffice will truly take-off as
a community, we will see genuine meritocracy, and there will be a
healthy situation within the LibreOffice project.
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wish, after having pushed so hard to get it to its current
state of existence, is that it should be properly managed and
developed as a resource for the community. I trust in your
intelligence and discretion to achieve that. ;-)
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y and raise your awareness about possible
dangers that I see, and about viewpoints that may not have occurred to you.
I hope only to see the LibreOffice project and TDF survive and succeed.
But I do think the SC needs to take action *urgently*.
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Hi, :-)
Small idea: have you considered using Google Apps for the project's
mail needs? *So* easy to set-up, *so* easy to maintain,
feature-packed, and I'm sure they will give TDF a free upgrade to an
enterprise account. Lots of other benefits, too.
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If it's not a "real" libreoffice.org or documentfoundation.org
account, I don't think anyone will be interested. I know I
wouldn't bother using one of these "libreofficecommunity.org", etc.,
accounts myself i'd just use my own mail account
m me first. No just jumping in. ;-)
And, of course, we will be paying attention to feedback from the community.
SC, is the above a reasonable interpretation of your intentions?
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Hi, :-)
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 20:53, Volker Merschmann wrote:
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> for membership does apply? Else there will be members of different
> degrees. :-(
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lfresco is a not-inconsiderable process, and that you want
a minimum of 1 Gigabyte of memory, with 2 to 3 being recommended to me
for a busier system.
My server has excellent 24/7 technical support.
Thoughts?
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I can satisfy this constraint, or should we just set
this idea aside?
If you don't want to assign the subdomain 'alfresco.libreoffice.org'
and if the docs team seems interested in using the site on my server,
what would be your thoughts if I renamed the domain to
'libreoffice.my
Hi Florian, :-)
Ah! Now I understand why you kept me waiting for 2 weeks for any kind
of reply to my request! :-D
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Could you maybe make it 2 hours later? This would be likely to be a
long call.
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If you could have the SC call at 19.00 UTC it would be so great...
This is a very special conversation we want to have tomorrow, and it's
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Hi Charles, :-)
I understand that Mike is rescheduling the call. I'll fit in with
whatever time is chosen. (It will be about 2 a.m. my time, most
likely, if 19.00 UTC is chosen.)
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beyond my death, in any case. Up to then, things
should be OK. But, seriously, I would always cooperate in all good
faith in a handover, and would always make best arrangements not to
damage the LibreOffice project's interests. I *care* about the
project, and I *care* about my reputation. ;-)
Fl
Hi Andreas, :-)
You're obviously entitled to your opinions, and I'm obviously entitled
to mine. ;-)
But this is a request that I'm submitting to the SC for their consideration.
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> Hi Florian, :-)
>
> All t
have an in-house documentation team that is really
specialized in the product.
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>
> All the active members of the docs team have accounts on the Alfresco
> site I'm hosting right now. There is a ge
continue a discussion of the relative merits of the two
products, may I ask you to reply to this post in a *new and separate
thread*? Thank you for your understanding if so. ;-)
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> Hi Florian, :-)
>
> All the active members of
blog
posts coming at the rate of about 3 a week... That would only be one
blog post per SC member every once in a while... Could be very
beneficial to community life?
2 cents. ;-)
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I could volunteer as well, if you like.
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In that case, would it be a good idea to have a link to them in the
text of the "Get Help" page?
If so, can you give the links you suggest?
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> all the applications and review all types of activities.
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> that ? At present, I have no access as author to the TDF website, and
> don't see any real need to have one. Couldn't I just send someone the
> translation ?
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Hi, :-)
I had another read through the bylaws, and there is one section that
might be usefully updated: Continuity of Membership.
The clause granting merit for past OOo contributions and qualifying
former OOo people is surely past now? Does that clause still have
utility?
David Nelson
Hi, :-)
I took the liberty of proofreading the post a bit and editing
slightly. See below, plus attached ODT file. HTH.
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TDF has new members
The opening of the membership process was announced last Tuesday
(http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/04/19/the-document-foundation-is
ear but it seems that the
lessons have not been learned.
MC, SC, could we perhaps hear your thoughts about this?
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> David,
>
> please bear with me as I am not an native English speaker, so therefore
> I might pick the wrong ex
ho started
with the project after the project launch to forever give free
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The recording of the SC meeting of 2011-05-12 placed on the wiki is
incomplete. Please, would it be possible to have the recording of the
entire meeting posted?
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I remember that, some time ago, Michael Meeks suggested OpenSTV as a
tool (http://www.openstv.org/).
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When you've made your edits, can I have permission to proofread and
make minor grammar/spelling corrections?
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HI,
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 22:22, David Nelson wrote:
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> funds into my personal bank account every 6 months...
For those of you that didn't realise, that was a joke... Someone just
mailed me off-list who d
gt; the final ballot.
It's true that this could be a good way to "take the temperature" in
the community about issues being voted on... Maybe our LibreOffice SC
could think about this before the bylaws are fully stabilized?
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>
> Thanks for these, really makes it cleaner, I applied them all - they
> seem un-controversial etc.
Cool, thanks. :-)
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On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 18:45, Florian Effenberger
wrote:
> Each organization *appoints* a single representative to the Advisory Board
> based on a yearly fee to be determined by the BoD.
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d opportunity to put this issue to rest, one way
or another, once and for all, by asking the SC to adopt a position.
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ith "meritocratic organization created by". Maybe that
would solve the problem? (Did you notice the removed comma, which was
unneeded?)
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request to the SC to take a decision
on this issue in a private session.
IMHO, it would be good to put the subject to rest once and for all.
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ere to be composed of more than 4
members... I feel that at least 6 to 9 members would ensure better
processing of MC business, and would ensure better quality
decision-taking (better assurance of impartiality, etc.).
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Hi,
Well how about "meritocratic community created by" then?
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27;ll add it to the next agenda and would be there to listen, and
to present both sides of the issue, if invited. But if it's going to
be a private session then maybe non-SC members won't be party to the
discussions?
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hat might ensue?
In any case, I'll add it to the next agenda and thank you for your
permission for that.
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