Re: [Bitcoin-development] patents...

2014-05-20 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Adam Back wrote: > hmm Yes and this topic now is more than a bit non dev related. Sorry about > that. There seems to be no convenient mailing list format for non-dev stuff > or I would Cc and set Reply-To for example? (Web forums somewhat suck IMO). There is t

Re: [Bitcoin-development] patents...

2014-05-19 Thread Bernd Jendrissek
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > Most companies (Google certainly included) have therefore banned their staff > from reading patents, Bitcoin is not Google though, and applying the same patent protocols to Bitcoin as in Google is drawing a false equivalence between the two. Go

Re: [Bitcoin-development] patents...

2014-05-19 Thread Mike Hearn
> > Avoiding willfull infringement no longer requires paying off a > patent attorney to get a freedom to operate review. This isn't to say > that reading patents is always productive That case raised the bar a bit, but the core problem remains - if you learn about a patent you definitely violate

Re: [Bitcoin-development] patents...

2014-05-19 Thread Peter Todd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 19 May 2014 20:43:15 CEST, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >There are other defensive approaches which are interesting than hoping >to use patents as a counter attack: For one— filing a patent gets the >work entered in the only database that USPTO exam

Re: [Bitcoin-development] patents...

2014-05-19 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Mike Hearn wrote: > The first rule of patents is you do not go looking for patents. US law is > written in a really stupid way, such that if you knowingly infringe, damages > triple. Because America uses the patent office as a revenue source, You have received out

Re: [Bitcoin-development] patents...

2014-05-19 Thread Mike Hearn
> > Meh. The world is much bigger than the USA. Secondly that rule makes it > difficult to educate people about why patents are as bad as they are. > You can easily find examples that are not relevant to Bitcoin if you want to discuss the patent system in general. > Feel free to continue censori

Re: [Bitcoin-development] patents...

2014-05-19 Thread Peter Todd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 19 May 2014 17:09:07 CEST, Mike Hearn wrote: >The first rule of patents is *you do not go looking for patents*. US >law is >written in a really stupid way, such that if you knowingly infringe, >damages triple. Because America uses the patent o

Re: [Bitcoin-development] patents...

2014-05-19 Thread Mike Hearn
IMO this list is fine for discussing such topics. Here are some thoughts. I had to deal with patents at Google (my name is on a few, not my choice unfortunately). Many aspects of patent law are deeply unintuitive, so here's the crash course as I was given it. The first rule of patents is *you d