Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-17 Thread Peter Vessenes
It seems to me that the internet as a whole has got this one covered. I say this as someone who thinks that BitCoin needs to choose its battles and craft its reputation extremely carefully; this isn't the most important fight for BitCoin, nor the most deadly. I do think SOPA and PIPA could impact

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-17 Thread solar
Dear bitcoin-development, One of the original reasons for the creation of this mailing list was because the bitcoin.org forum was filled with this type of noise and this list was to provide a medium for discussion of development topics. This entire SOPA thing is off topic for this list. Might

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-17 Thread James Burkle
I don't think this is the right mailing list for discussion of this Blackout topic. I know this is definitely not the right mailing list for proselytizing. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Luke-Jr wrote: > On Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:42:51 AM Jorge Timón wrote: >> It may be a political issue,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-17 Thread Luke-Jr
On Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:42:51 AM Jorge Timón wrote: > It may be a political issue, but I don't think wikipedia becomes a > political organization for being against censorship. > This is not about left or right. Is about free speech, one of the > basic principles not only of freedom but also

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-17 Thread Stefan Thomas
I'm firmly against a *blackout* - it would harm users' trust in Bitcoin since people looking to download the client or to get information about Bitcoin may end up in the wrong place. I constantly have to delete YouTube spam advertising this or that "miracle GPU miner" or "secure Bitcoin client"

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-17 Thread Vladimir Marchenko
On 17 January 2012 00:30, Amir Taaki wrote: > ... > Wikipedia has far more need to remain neutral and apolitical than bitcoin > ever does- you've read Satoshi's politically charged whitepaper or seen the > genesis block quote. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Action > .

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-17 Thread Wladimir
This is not just "a political issue". The internet as we know it is at stake, and bitcoin depends directly on a working, single, globally connected internet (at least for now, until mesh networking goes anywhere...). *Everyone* using bitcoin has the interest in keeping the internet working and un-

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-16 Thread Jorge Timón
It may be a political issue, but I don't think wikipedia becomes a political organization for being against censorship. This is not about left or right. Is about free speech, one of the basic principles not only of freedom but also of democracy. And as Gregory shows it clearly affects bitcoin direc

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Kyle Henderson wrote: > For those that believe one particularly noisy country in the North America > region with a policy called SOPA or PIPA directly affects Bitcoin - can you > point out precisely where it does so? In addition to the concerns about internet free

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-16 Thread Kyle Henderson
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > There are always issues that raise ire and moral outrage. I would > rather that bitcoin.org stay apolitical -- our users will appreciate > this in the long run. > > Agreed :) For those that believe one particularly noisy country in the No

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-16 Thread Cameron Garnham
I think that bitcoin.org should remain apolitical. However maybe it would be good if the blackout to take effect on bitcointalk.org if theymos and Sirius believes it is appropriate. Bitcoin.org should provide bitcoin. On 17/01/2012 11:59 AM, slush wrote: > I agree Bitcoin should avoid ma

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-16 Thread Luke-Jr
On Monday, January 16, 2012 7:46:39 PM Alan Reiner wrote: > In response to Jeff and Luke-Jr, I don't see how this is /just any other > poltical issue/. It strikes at the heart of everything Bitcoin is about. Sorry, Bitcoin is not about the same thing to everyone. For me, Bitcoin is about one thi

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-16 Thread slush
global blackout. Bitcoin should > do the same in unison with the rest of the web- sites like Reddit, 4chan and > Wikipedia. > > It's funny / almost comical how you consign this to being just another issue > or case of moral alarm. Sad. > > > > - Original Message

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-16 Thread Alan Reiner
this to being just another issue or case of moral alarm. Sad. - Original Message - From: Jeff Garzik To: Amir Taaki Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout On S

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-16 Thread Amir Taaki
- Original Message - From: Jeff Garzik To: Amir Taaki Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Amir Taaki wrote: > How is this

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-16 Thread Wladimir
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Wladimir wrote: > > Internet censorship *is* a threat to bitcoin, if we don't stand up for > our > > rights now we deserve anything that is coming. There will be no "long > run". > > Very few people actual

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Wladimir wrote: > Internet censorship *is* a threat to bitcoin, if we don't stand up for our > rights now we deserve anything that is coming. There will be no "long run". Very few people actually care if they can load that particular URL ... if you were talking ab

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-15 Thread Wladimir
Internet censorship *is* a threat to bitcoin, if we don't stand up for our rights now we deserve anything that is coming. There will be no "long run". On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Luke-Jr wrote: > On Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:37:05 PM Jeff Garzik wrote: > > There are always issues that rais

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-15 Thread Luke-Jr
On Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:37:05 PM Jeff Garzik wrote: > There are always issues that raise ire and moral outrage. I would > rather that bitcoin.org stay apolitical -- our users will appreciate > this in the long run. I agree (with the conclusion). There are much more important and urgent pro

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-15 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Amir Taaki wrote: > How is this not the most important world issue right now? > > EVERYTHING is under threat. Go nuclear to show our nerd-rage. > > Everybody blank your personal sites too. Americans, take to the streets. > World, go scream at the US embassy. The

[Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

2012-01-15 Thread Amir Taaki
How is this not the most important world issue right now? EVERYTHING is under threat. Go nuclear to show our nerd-rage. Everybody blank your personal sites too. Americans, take to the streets. World, go scream at the US embassy. -