Re: [Bitcoin-development] 0 confirmation txs using replace-by-fee and game theory

2014-06-18 Thread Isidor Zeuner
quote: [...] > On 4/24/14, Chris Pacia wrote: > > It would work but it's an ugly hack IMO. What do people do if they don't > > have extra to pay when making a purchase? I have 200 mbtc and want to buy a > > 200 mbtc phone but I can't because I need 400 mbtc. Sucks for me. > > > > I would much pref

Re: [Bitcoin-development] instant confirmation via payment protocol backwards compatible proto buffer extension

2014-06-18 Thread Natanael
Den 17 jun 2014 17:59 skrev "Isidor Zeuner" : > > quote: > > Mike Hearn, why don't we just have all nodes report attempted double spends > > through the node network. No need to involve the miners at all really, or > > do your suggestion but also report the double spend attempt. By waiting > > mayb

Re: [Bitcoin-development] instant confirmation via payment protocol backwards compatible proto buffer extension

2014-06-18 Thread Mike Hearn
> > I think that's true if you assume that the instant provider list is based > on a by hand created list of accepted instant providers. That's how VISA > works now and that's why I was asking for an approach where the > trusted_instant_providers list is scalable because that seems very > dangerous

Re: [Bitcoin-development] instant confirmation via payment protocol backwards compatible proto buffer extension

2014-06-18 Thread Daniel Rice
> I'm not sure this is actually important or useful; trusting someone not to double spend is a pretty binary thing I think that's true if you assume that the instant provider list is based on a by hand created list of accepted instant providers. That's how VISA works now and that's why I was askin

Re: [Bitcoin-development] instant confirmation via payment protocol backwards compatible proto buffer extension

2014-06-18 Thread Mike Hearn
> > - allowing multiple signatures ? I'm not sure this is actually important or useful; trusting someone not to double spend is a pretty binary thing. I'm not sure saying "you need to get three independent parties to sign off on this" is worth the hassle, especially because the first signature is

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: relax the IsStandard rules for P2SH transactions

2014-06-18 Thread Gavin Andresen
RE: most of Peter Todd's comments: All of that should be separate pull requests. Big Honking Pull Requests are harder to review and are more likely to be bike-shedded to death. RE: not relaying/mining transactions with OP_NOPs so miners don't mine up-version transactions that are invalid under

Re: [Bitcoin-development] instant confirmation via payment protocol backwards compatible proto buffer extension

2014-06-18 Thread Lawrence Nahum
Andreas Schildbach schildbach.de> writes: > > What is the use of the Transactions message? Note the Payment message > already contains a transactions field that could be signed. Can you > briefly describe the whole flow of messages on an example, including the > BIP70 messages? Updated the BIP

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: allocate 8 service bits for experimental use

2014-06-18 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Wladimir wrote: > Anyhow -- back to the original proposal. I'm fine with setting aside > part of the service bit space for experiments. ACK -- Jeff Garzik Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist BitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/ --

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: allocate 8 service bits for experimental use

2014-06-18 Thread Wladimir
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Peter Todd wrote: > For my replace-by-fee implementation(1) I used service bit 26 to let > preferential peering work so that replace-by-fee nodes could easily find > each other. Of course, that's a temporary/experimental usage that can be > dropped after wider adop

Re: [Bitcoin-development] instant confirmation via payment protocol backwards compatible proto buffer extension

2014-06-18 Thread Mike Hearn
Please, let's talk about other anti-double spend things on a separate thread. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Isidor Zeuner wrote: > What prevents the following steps from happening: > I linked to Satoshi's post on this earlier, he explains why it works there, assuming people follow the origin

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: relax the IsStandard rules for P2SH transactions

2014-06-18 Thread Wladimir
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Gavin Andresen wrote: > Assuming there is rough consensus, I'll make this a pull request (see > https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/tree/relax_isstandard for code > changes). > > > > Now that we are finally starting to see the use of multi-signature a