Re: [Bitcoin-development] Optional "wallet-linkable" address format (Re-request)

2013-08-09 Thread Alan Reiner
That's fine. I just want to make sure it's considered for inclusion at some point, because I really hope to leverage the "identity" mechanism I just described, and it's much easier if it's part of a standard instead of convincing others to go around the standard with us. I have not spent much tim

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Optional "wallet-linkable" address format (Re-request)

2013-08-09 Thread Gavin Andresen
As Mike said: the payment protocol doesn't use bitcoin addresses under the covers. It is also designed to be easily extensible, so if you want the server to send the wallet software a public key and multiplier, then add "publickey" and "multiplier" optional fields to the PaymentDetails (or maybe O

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BitMail.sf.net - encrypted p2p email

2013-08-09 Thread Wendell
Jesus, please stop this. :( -wendell grabhive.com | twitter.com/grabhive | gpg: 6C0C9411 On Aug 9, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Randolph D. wrote: > anyone tested the secure encrypted p2p email: http://bitmail.sf.net > > SVN here: > > svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/spot-on/code/ spot-on-code > >

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Optional "wallet-linkable" address format (Re-request)

2013-08-09 Thread Mike Hearn
It's BIP specified and implemented in Bitcoin-Qt so now is the time to start :) I'm hoping that most wallets can announce support near simultaneously On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Alan Reiner wrote: > That's fine. I just want to make sure it's considered for inclusion at > some point,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Optional "wallet-linkable" address format (Re-request)

2013-08-09 Thread Mike Hearn
Payment protocol is locked down for v1 already. But did you read it? It doesn't use addresses anywhere. Payments are specified in terms of a list of outputs which can contain any script. Of course it could be a pay-to-address script, but pay-to-address uses more bytes in the chain and there isn't a

[Bitcoin-development] BitMail.sf.net - encrypted p2p email

2013-08-09 Thread Randolph D.
anyone tested the secure encrypted p2p email: http://bitmail.sf.net SVN here: svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/spot-on/code/ spot-on-code http://sourceforge.net/p/spot-on/code/commit_browser -- Get 100% visibility in

Re: [Bitcoin-development] SPV client in pure JavaScript?

2013-08-09 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Wendell wrote: > No, it's not -- but that's certainly very cool to see Jeff. > > How is BitPay going to put this to use? Well, "wally" is just a demo application, a command line client to prove a technology. The main development is in places like "node-libcoin", w

Re: [Bitcoin-development] SPV client in pure JavaScript?

2013-08-09 Thread Wendell
No, it's not -- but that's certainly very cool to see Jeff. How is BitPay going to put this to use? -wendell grabhive.com | twitter.com/grabhive | gpg: 6C0C9411 On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote: > Certainly. BitPay is working on such a wallet: > https://github.com/jgarzik/wally >

[Bitcoin-development] Optional "wallet-linkable" address format (Re-request)

2013-08-09 Thread Alan Reiner
Guys, I'd like to reiterate my previous request to support this alternate address serialization in the payment protocol. We got caught up in the specifics of one use case, but didn't acknowledge that it's still a valid address representation that will provide value to those who wish to use it and

Re: [Bitcoin-development] SPV client in pure JavaScript?

2013-08-09 Thread Wendell
"Packaged app pages always load locally. This allows apps to be less dependent on the network. Once a user installs an app, they have full control over the app's lifecycle. Apps open and close quickly, and the system can shut apps down at any time to improve performance. Users can fully uninstal

Re: [Bitcoin-development] SPV client in pure JavaScript?

2013-08-09 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Wendell wrote: > To those of you in the know about modern browser tech: > > Does it seem at all conceivable that an SPV wallet could be built entirely in > JavaScript? And if indeed it is within the realm of the possible, how would > such a thing be safely distrib

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Idea for new payment protocol PKI

2013-08-09 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 9 August 2013 13:59, Wendell wrote: > We have been discussing something like this over here too, as well as > exploring more esoteric blockchain+signature-based "SSO" implementations as > discussed by John Light and others. > I've been using SSO for years using an X.509 private key in my brow

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Idea for new payment protocol PKI

2013-08-09 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 9 August 2013 14:08, Mike Hearn wrote: > Bitcoin sought to reduce dependence on trusted third parties, where as, >> persona is increasing the reach of trusted third parties. The keys and >> passwords are stored on mozilla's servers, sometimes on your email >> providers. Persona, is however,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] SPV client in pure JavaScript?

2013-08-09 Thread Mike Hearn
Oh, I forgot to make it clear - Chrome apps/extensions can make raw TCP socket connections: http://blog.chromium.org/2012/11/introducing-tcp-listen-new-api-for.html You would do it as a packaged app: http://developer.chrome.com/apps/about_apps.html because then they're a lot more similar to n

Re: [Bitcoin-development] SPV client in pure JavaScript?

2013-08-09 Thread Mike Hearn
Code that runs inside NativeClient has the same access level as JavaScript does. It's just a way to do things faster. Distribution as a Chrome app via the Chrome store is a fine approach, as long as people understand it's just an app platform like any other. It has pros and cons that must be weigh

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Idea for new payment protocol PKI

2013-08-09 Thread Mike Hearn
> > Bitcoin sought to reduce dependence on trusted third parties, where as, > persona is increasing the reach of trusted third parties. The keys and > passwords are stored on mozilla's servers, sometimes on your email > providers. Persona, is however, a progression and will hopefully improve > it

Re: [Bitcoin-development] SPV client in pure JavaScript?

2013-08-09 Thread Wendell
Right, I'm not suggesting that we have this wallet in a web app, but rather precisely what you are talking about: using special browser features, and bundling it. I am fundamentally monoculture-opposed, but given Chrome's present installed base, that initial target makes sense to me, provided th

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Idea for new payment protocol PKI

2013-08-09 Thread Wendell
We have been discussing something like this over here too, as well as exploring more esoteric blockchain+signature-based "SSO" implementations as discussed by John Light and others. One of our long-term ambitions with Hive is to provide a (mostly) user-transparent, decentralized authentication

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Idea for new payment protocol PKI

2013-08-09 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 9 August 2013 13:43, Mike Hearn wrote: > This is just me making notes for myself, I'm not seriously suggesting this > be implemented any time soon. > > Mozilla Persona is an infrastructure for web based single sign on. It > works by having email providers sign temporary certificates for their

Re: [Bitcoin-development] SPV client in pure JavaScript?

2013-08-09 Thread Mike Hearn
JavaScript is turing complete so of course it can be done. The real question you're asking is, can it be done in a web app? I think the answer is I think "no" because web apps aren't allowed to make raw TCP socket connections. Now there may be a way around that by using browser-specific things lik

[Bitcoin-development] Idea for new payment protocol PKI

2013-08-09 Thread Mike Hearn
This is just me making notes for myself, I'm not seriously suggesting this be implemented any time soon. Mozilla Persona is an infrastructure for web based single sign on. It works by having email providers sign temporary certificates for their users, whose browsers then sign server-provided chall

[Bitcoin-development] SPV client in pure JavaScript?

2013-08-09 Thread Wendell
To those of you in the know about modern browser tech: Does it seem at all conceivable that an SPV wallet could be built entirely in JavaScript? And if indeed it is within the realm of the possible, how would such a thing be safely distributed for use? Would a signed Chrome Plugin be an ideal v