Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-09 Thread Washington Sanchez via bitcoin-dev
Errata + clarity (in bold): > > >- So in my proposal, if 2000+ *blocks *have a size >= 60% *of the >current limit*, this is an indication that real transaction volume has >increased and we're approaching a time where block could be filled to >capacity without an increase. The block

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-08 Thread Washington Sanchez via bitcoin-dev
> > If you want me to take your proposal seriously, you need to justify why > 60% full is a good answer > Sure thing Gavin. If you want blocks to be at least 60% full... First off, I do not want blocks to be at least 60% full, so let me try and explain where I got this number from - The ide

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-08 Thread Gavin Andresen via bitcoin-dev
> > 3) Let me put it another way, I've read that both Gavin and yourself are > favorable to a dynamic limit on the block size. In your view, what is > missing from this proposal, or what variables should be adjusted, to get > the rules to a place where you and other Core developers would seriously

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-08 Thread Andrew Johnson via bitcoin-dev
I rather like this idea, I like that we're taking block scaling back to a technical method rather than political. BIP100 is frightening to me as it gives a disproportionate amount of power to the miners, who can already control their own blocksize with a soft cap. It also seems silly to worry abo

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-08 Thread Washington Sanchez via bitcoin-dev
1) It's not really clear to me how that would work, but assuming it does then it will go into a basket of attacks that are possible but unlikely due to the economic disincentives to do so. 2) That said, is the Achilles heal of this proposal the lack of a mechanism to lower the block size? 3) Let

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-08 Thread Adam Back via bitcoin-dev
> A selfish mining attack would have to be performed for at least 2000 blocks > over a period of 4 weeks in order to achieve a meager 10% increase in the > block size. You seem to be analysing a different attack - I mean that if someone has enough hashrate to do a selfish mining attack, then set

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-08 Thread Washington Sanchez via bitcoin-dev
> > The maximum block-size is one that can be filled at zero-cost by > miners, and so allows some kinds of amplification of selfish-mining > related attacks A selfish mining attack would have to be performed for at least 2000 blocks over a period of 4 weeks in order to achieve a meager 10% increa

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-08 Thread Ivan Brightly via bitcoin-dev
Agreed. For this reason, the scaling BIPs which don't allow for easy gaming such as BIP101, your proposal or Pieter's are preferable for their predictability and simplicity. Changing the fundamental rules for Bitcoin is supposed to be hard - why give this power up to a subsection of the ecosystem i

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-08 Thread Adam Back via bitcoin-dev
The maximum block-size is one that can be filled at zero-cost by miners, and so allows some kinds of amplification of selfish-mining related attacks. Adam On 8 September 2015 at 13:28, Ivan Brightly via bitcoin-dev wrote: > This is true, but miners already control block size through soft caps.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-08 Thread Ivan Brightly via bitcoin-dev
This is true, but miners already control block size through soft caps. Miners are fully capable of producing smaller blocks regardless of the max block limit, with or without collusion. Arguably, there is no need to ever reduce the max block size unless technology advances for some reason reverse c

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-08 Thread Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev
> but allow meaningful relief to transaction volume pressure in response to > true market demand If blocksize can only increase then it's like a market that only goes up which is unrealistic. Transaction will volume ebb and flow significantly. Some people have been looking at transaction volume c

[bitcoin-dev] Dynamic limit to the block size - BIP draft discussion

2015-09-08 Thread Washington Sanchez via bitcoin-dev
Hi everyone, I know many of us feel that the last thing the Bitcoin community needs is another BIP related to the block size, but after a lot of reading and commenting, I'd like to throw this idea out there. I've already written it up as a BIP and would like some constructive feedback/suggestions