Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-06 Thread Will via bitcoin-dev
down the road. Will From: Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev Reply: Pieter Wuille > Date: August 6, 2015 at 5:32:20 PM To: Dave Scotese > Cc: Bitcoin Dev > Subject:  Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Dave Scotese via bitcoin-de

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-06 Thread Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Dave Scotese via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: "Miners can do this unilaterally" maybe, if they are a closed group, based > on the 51% rule. But aren't they using full nodes for propagation? In this > sense, anyone can vote by coding.

[bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-06 Thread Dave Scotese via bitcoin-dev
"Miners can do this unilaterally" maybe, if they are a closed group, based on the 51% rule. But aren't they using full nodes for propagation? In this sense, anyone can vote by coding. If and when we need to vote, a pair-wise runoff ("condorcet method") will find an option that is championed by a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread Tier Nolan via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:50 AM, jl2012 via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > Voting system > > Single transferable vote is applied. ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote). Voters are > required to rank their preference with “1

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
As I mentioned, the candidate proposals must go through usual peer review process, which includes proper testing, I assume. Scaling down is always possible with softforks, or miners will simply produce smaller blocks. BIP100 has a scaling down mechanism but it still requires miners to vote so

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev
On 4 August 2015 at 10:03, Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > If you want to let a majority decide about economic policy of a currency, > I suggest fiat currencies. They have been using this approach for quite a > while, I hear. > Nearly all the fiat cu

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread Venzen Khaosan via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It is not scientific or sensible to go from proposal stage straight to voting and then implementation stage. The proposals you have diligently gathered, summarized and presented in your document must go through testing, and scenario simulation with pu

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
Bitcoin's consensus rules are a consensus system What is your definition of "consensus"? Do you mean 100% agreement? Without a vote how do you know there is 100% (or whatever percentage) agreement? Find a solution that everyone agrees on, or don't. Who are the "everyone"? Pieter Wuille 於

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread Pieter Wuille via bitcoin-dev
I would like to withdraw my proposal from your self-appointed vote. If you want to let a majority decide about economic policy of a currency, I suggest fiat currencies. They have been using this approach for quite a while, I hear. Bitcoin's consensus rules are a consensus system, not a democracy.

[bitcoin-dev] Wrapping up the block size debate with voting

2015-08-04 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
As now we have some concrete proposals (https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-July/009808.html), I think we should wrap up the endless debate with voting by different stakeholder groups. - Candidate proposals Candidate proposals must be c