Re: [bitcoin-dev] Recursive covenant opposition, or the absence thereof, was Re: TXHASH + CHECKSIGFROMSTACKVERIFY in lieu of CTV and ANYPREVOUT

2022-02-11 Thread digital vagabond via bitcoin-dev
This is Shinobi (can verify out of band at @brian_trollz on Twitter, I only signed up to the list with this email to read initially, but feel like I should reply to this as I think I am one of the only people in this space who has voiced concerns with recursive covenants). My concerns don't really

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Recursive covenant opposition, or the absence thereof, was Re: TXHASH + CHECKSIGFROMSTACKVERIFY in lieu of CTV and ANYPREVOUT

2022-02-11 Thread James O'Beirne via bitcoin-dev
I don't oppose recursive covenants per se, but in prior posts I have expressed uncertainty about proposals that enable more "featureful" covenants by adding more kinds of computation into bitcoin script. Not that anyone here is necessarily saying otherwise, but I am very interested in limiting ope

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Thoughts on fee bumping

2022-02-11 Thread Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev
Hi James, I fully agree on the need to reframe the conversation around mempools/fee-bumping/L2s though please see my following comments, it's far from simple! > Layering on special cases, more carve-outs, and X and Y percentage > thresholds is going to make reasoning about the mempool harder than

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Thoughts on fee bumping

2022-02-11 Thread darosior via bitcoin-dev
Well because in the example i gave you this decreases the miner's reward. The rule of increasing feerate you stated isn't always economically rationale. Note how it can also be extended, for instance if the miner only has 1.5vMB of txs and is not assured to receive enough transactions to fill 2

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Advancing the security of Neutrino using minimally trusted oracles

2022-02-11 Thread enclade via bitcoin-dev
That sounds completely reasonable. Originally I had discussed privately making the protocol design completely interactive (client sends a nonce over DNS, oracle responds signing the nonce), but it was pointed out that making them use quantized timestamps mitigated a lot of the issues regarding