Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] Removing the Dust Limit

2021-10-08 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning Pieter, > Indeed - UTXO set size is an externality that unfortunately Bitcoin's > consensus rules fail to account > for. Having a relay policy that avoids at the very least economically > irrational behavior makes > perfect sense to me. > > It's also not obvious how consensus rules

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Question- must every mining rig attempt every block?

2021-10-08 Thread Billy Tetrud via bitcoin-dev
Proof of stake systems attempt to create red light - green light types of things with non-gameable attributes (eg collaborative random numbers). This can't be done with mining because mining is completely random - its not possible to know which miner will mine a block. If it were, it wouldn't be pr

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] Removing the Dust Limit

2021-10-08 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning shymaa, > The suggested idea I was replying to is to make all dust TXs invalid by some > nodes. Is this supposed to be consensus change or not? Why "some" nodes and not all? I think the important bit is for full nodes. Non-full-nodes already work at reduced security; what is import

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] Removing the Dust Limit

2021-10-08 Thread shymaa arafat via bitcoin-dev
The suggested idea I was replying to is to make all dust TXs invalid by some nodes. I suggested a compromise by keeping them in secondary storage for full nodes, and in a separate Merkle Tree for bridge servers. -In bridge servers they won't increase any worstcase, on the contrary this will enhance

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] Removing the Dust Limit

2021-10-08 Thread shymaa arafat via bitcoin-dev
If u allow me to discuss,,, I previously suggested storing dust UTXOS in a separate Merkle tree or strucutre in general if we are talking about the original set. I'm a kind of person who doesn't like to throw any thing; if it's not needed now keep it in the basement for example. So, if dust UTXOS m