Re: [bitcoin-dev] Total fees have almost crossed the block reward

2017-12-21 Thread Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 12:30 AM, Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Every transaction is replace-by-fee capable already. Opt-in replace by fee > as specified in BIP 125 is a fiction that held sway only while the income > from fees or fee replacement was so much smaller than subsidy. The d

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Total fees have almost crossed the block reward

2017-12-21 Thread Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev
Every transaction is replace-by-fee capable already. Opt-in replace by fee as specified in BIP 125 is a fiction that held sway only while the income from fees or fee replacement was so much smaller than subsidy. > On Dec 21, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Paul Iverson via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > > I agree

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Total fees have almost crossed the block reward

2017-12-21 Thread Paul Iverson via bitcoin-dev
I agree with Greg. What is happening is a cause for celebration: it is the manifestation of our long-desired fee market in action. That people are willing to pay upwards of $100 per transaction shows the huge demand to transact on the world's most secure ledger. This is what success looks like, f

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Total fees have almost crossed the block reward

2017-12-21 Thread Michel 'ic' Luczak via bitcoin-dev
Hi, This is the first time I post on this list. First of all, Thank you Jameson for the interview you gave yesterday, it’s been a model of calm and self-control for all of us. I deeply believe the high average fees we experience right now are mostly due to the miscalculations of most of the ha

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP for Legacy Sign Verify functions

2017-12-21 Thread Dan Bryant via bitcoin-dev
Thank you... I've updated. > New schemes should probably NOT be based on the current one. Fair enough... I still think there are those who would still like an existing sign/verify BIP to reference. On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Luke Dashjr wrote: > On Thursday 21 December 2017 10:26:25 PM D

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP for Legacy Sign Verify functions

2017-12-21 Thread Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev
On Thursday 21 December 2017 10:26:25 PM Dan Bryant via bitcoin-dev wrote: > https://github.com/brianddk/bips/blob/legacysignverify/bip-0xyz.mediawiki It's not even correct... Your first "verify message" step is not possible; you can't get a public key from an address. What is actually done, is

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Total fees have almost crossed the block reward

2017-12-21 Thread Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev
Personally, I'm pulling out the champaign that market behaviour is indeed producing activity levels that can pay for security without inflation, and also producing fee paying backlogs needed to stabilize consensus progress as the subsidy declines. I'd also personally prefer to pay lower fees-- cur

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Total fees have almost crossed the block reward

2017-12-21 Thread Jim Rogers via bitcoin-dev
It seems that the exchanges are doing everything that they can to slow things. Not only have the major exchanges not implemented segwit yet, but a bigger, less addressed issue is that they have start applying transfer limits on crypto as well as cash. They do not respond for months to requests t

[bitcoin-dev] BIP for Legacy Sign Verify functions

2017-12-21 Thread Dan Bryant via bitcoin-dev
https://github.com/brianddk/bips/blob/legacysignverify/bip-0xyz.mediawiki Although this is a well established functionality, it has never been published in a BIP. My proposal is simply to provide a reference point for future expansion of these capabilities into new address schemes. Original refe

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Sign / Verify message against SegWit P2SH addresses.

2017-12-21 Thread Dan Bryant via bitcoin-dev
legacy message sign verify BIP to get the ball rolling. early draft: https://github.com/brianddk/bips/blob/legacysignverify/bip-0xyz.mediawiki On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Pavol Rusnak wrote: > On 08/12/17 19:25, Dan Bryant via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > I know there are posts, and an issue ope

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Total fees have almost crossed the block reward

2017-12-21 Thread Jameson Lopp via bitcoin-dev
I'd hope that the incentives are in place to encourage high volume senders to be more efficient in their use of block space by batching transactions and implementing SegWit, though this may not be the case for providers that pass transaction fees along to their users. We've been trying to be more

[bitcoin-dev] Total fees have almost crossed the block reward

2017-12-21 Thread Melvin Carvalho via bitcoin-dev
I asked adam back at hcpp how the block chain would be secured in the long term, once the reward goes away. The base idea has always been that fees would replace the block reward. At that time fees were approximately 10% of the block reward, but have now reached 45%, with 50% potentially being cr

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Sign / Verify message against SegWit P2SH addresses.

2017-12-21 Thread Jason Dreyzehner via bitcoin-dev
You might be interested in this proposal, which is very similar. The repo contains a very basic implementation in typescript: https://github.com/bitauth/bitauth2017/blob/master/bips/0-bitauth.mediawiki https://github.com/bitauth/bitauth2017/ On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 4:59 PM Mark Friedenbach via bi

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Sign / Verify message against SegWit P2SH addresses.

2017-12-21 Thread Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev
It doesn’t matter what it does under the hood. The api could be the same. > On Dec 21, 2017, at 3:19 AM, Damian Williamson via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > > In all seriousness, being able to sign a message is an important feature > whether it is with Bitcoin Core or, with some other method. It is a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Crypto Open Exchange Protocol (COX)

2017-12-21 Thread Sjors Provoost via bitcoin-dev
Just to clarify two points: > The good part is that it does not have to be adopted by exchanges. If popular > exchanges do not adopt it, it is trivial to make an adapter service which > translate COX to whatever proprietary API of the exchange. Be sure to elaborate on the difference in trust as

[bitcoin-dev] Sign / Verify message against SegWit P2SH addresses.

2017-12-21 Thread Damian Williamson via bitcoin-dev
In all seriousness, being able to sign a message is an important feature whether it is with Bitcoin Core or, with some other method. It is a good feature and it would be worthwhile IMHO to update it for SegWit addresses. I don't know about renewing it altogether, I like the current simplicity.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Proposal: Crypto Open Exchange Protocol (COX)

2017-12-21 Thread Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev
Thanks a lot for the feedback > I think this could be quite useful, although I don’t know if it will get adopted. The good part is that it does not have to be adopted by exchanges. If popular exchanges do not adopt it, it is trivial to make an adapter service which translate COX to whatever propr