Re: [bitcoin-dev] Requirement for pseudonymous BIP submissions

2017-03-27 Thread Troy Benjegerdes via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 08:32:07AM -0500, Chris Stewart wrote: > >I quite agree, and I would add that sometimes making yourself > recognisable is far more important that merit. > > The intent of my original proposal allows you to reveal yourself *after* > the BIP has been accepted if you so choose

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Encouraging good miners

2017-03-27 Thread Antoine Le Calvez via bitcoin-dev
I don't think encouraging mining more transactions is a good idea since it would promote inefficient transaction patterns. It's more efficient to send transactions with a high number of outputs/inputs instead of creating long transaction chains as some services do. You might consider incentivi

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Segregated witness p2p layer compatibility

2017-03-27 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/27/2017 12:22 PM, Suhas Daftuar via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Eric Voskuil wrote: > >> Given the protocol requirements of the segwit proposal this is >> not the case. A miner running pre-segwit code will produce >> blocks that no segwit node will

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Encouraging good miners

2017-03-27 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 03/27/2017 10:29 AM, Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev wrote: > For some time now the relation between block size and propagation > speed has been decoupled. Using xthin/compact blocks miners only > send a tiny version of a block which then causes the re

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Segregated witness p2p layer compatibility

2017-03-27 Thread Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
Just to expand a tiny bit here, while the testnet setup of only a few nodes acting as "bridges", mainnet already has many systems which act as effective bridges today - there are several relay networks in use which effectively bypass the P2P network, including my legacy relay network (which many

[bitcoin-dev] Segregated witness p2p layer compatibility

2017-03-27 Thread Suhas Daftuar via bitcoin-dev
Hi, There have been two threads recently that have made references to peer-to-peer implementation details in Bitcoin Core's Segregated Witness code that I would like to clarify. In the thread "Issolated Bitcoin Nodes" ( https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-March/013765.htm

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Encouraging good miners

2017-03-27 Thread Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev
For some time now the relation between block size and propagation speed has been decoupled. Using xthin/compact blocks miners only send a tiny version of a block which then causes the receiving node to re-create it using the memory pool. Immediately getting double benefits by including pre-veri

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-27 Thread Martin Stolze via bitcoin-dev
Yes, the terminology is creating a lot of confusion. I would be happy to contribute to a discourse that helps to clear up the ambiguities and cringeworthiness of current "standardized terminology". Robert Keagen developed a perspective on psychological development [1] and it appears to me that Stag

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bandwidth limits and LN w/ node relay network topography

2017-03-27 Thread Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev
What you are describing is described here too: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/aab6f8e08fef0792ab3448f542a826bf (again, at very draft and somewhere misleading state) I don't think that the rewards should depend on subsequent chains built on top of the main one, it should be handled by the main chain

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-27 Thread AJ West via bitcoin-dev
Hi I'm AJ West, I made a service http://preferredminer.com which is a proof-of-concept project designed to spur discussion on exactly this issue of "miners as service providers." The current status is that Bitcoin end users are looking to support specific miners, whether that's because they agree

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Encouraging good miners

2017-03-27 Thread Jameson Lopp via bitcoin-dev
Bitcoin chooses the "best chain" based upon the one that has the most cumulative proof of work behind it. Are you proposing that the cumulative proof of work be ignored if two blocks are within a certain threshold of each others' work and if so, the number of transactions in the block / the size of

[bitcoin-dev] Encouraging good miners

2017-03-27 Thread Btc Ideas via bitcoin-dev
Add a preference for mined blocks to be the one with more transactions. This comes into play when 2 blocks of the same height are found. The first good block mined would be orphaned if it had less transactions than another. Optionally, have this rule apply to the current block and the previous o

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Requirement for pseudonymous BIP submissions

2017-03-27 Thread Troy Benjegerdes via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 07:15:09PM +, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev wrote: > On Saturday, March 18, 2017 3:23:16 PM Chris Stewart via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > There is inconvenience added here. You need to make a new email address, > > you need to make a new github account to submit the BIP. > >

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Requirement for pseudonymous BIP submissions

2017-03-27 Thread Troy Benjegerdes via bitcoin-dev
On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 11:43:12PM +, muyuu via bitcoin-dev wrote: > If this was in place I would contribute more and I wouldn't have to create > throw-away accounts. > > This is not a space where you want to be a recognisable target. > > Today, BitFury's CEO threatened to sue developers if t

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-27 Thread greg misiorek via bitcoin-dev
agreed, the 'miner' term has run its course and plays a different role than it was originally set out to do, esp its original distributed nature. the 'mining business' has become concentrated too much and resembles today's financial institutions or simply banks, imho. still, any form forking h

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Inquiry: Transaction Tiering

2017-03-27 Thread praxeology_guy via bitcoin-dev
Martin: Re: Miners not relaying unconfirmed txs... I was saying that this was a good thing from your perspective in wanting to give users the choice on which miners would get to confirm the tx. So then like we don't need to implement any kind of special bloated transaction that is only mine-abl

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Defending against empty or near empty blocks from malicious miner takeover?

2017-03-27 Thread Aymeric Vitte via bitcoin-dev
Le 27/03/2017 à 00:15, Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev a écrit : > On 03/26/2017 12:05 PM, Peter R via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > > > The repeated use of the term "network upgrade" in place of the > accepted technical term (hard fork) is misleading. This and the > presupposition that the hard fork is co