Re: [bitcoin-dev] Short review of previously-proposed exotic SIGHASH types

2015-08-31 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 01:56:34PM -0500, Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Here is a short review of previously-proposed and exotic SIGHASH types. > > SIGHASH_MULTIPLE > Similarly, petertodd has asked for a SIGHASH_DONT_SIGN_TXID before to > make OP_CODESEPARATOR more useful. There's also my

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Oliver Petruzel via bitcoin-dev
>>>I would be OK with $100 transaction fee Unless you're relying upon some hypothetical hyper-inflation of the USD, how does one accept or justify such fees given the title (and intentions) of Satoshi's own white paper and corresponding software? I believe the key words "cash system" must be kept

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes

2015-08-31 Thread Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Peter R via bitcoin-dev wrote: > - Bitcoin-B (Blockstream) Blockstream currently has no interest in maintaining a separate implementation of Bitcoin. At this time I believe doing so would have significantly negative value; especially in light of the current climat

[bitcoin-dev] Let's kill Bitcoin Core and allow the green shoots of a garden of new implementations to grow from its fertile ashes

2015-08-31 Thread Peter R via bitcoin-dev
I agree, s7r, that Bitcoin Core represents the most stable code base. To create multiple implementations, other groups would fork Bitcoin Core similar to what Bitcoin XT did. We could have: - Bitcoin-A (XT) - Bitcoin-B (Blockstream) - Bitcoin-C (promoting BIP100) - Bitcoin-D - etc. Innovation

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Message: 5

2015-08-31 Thread William Miller via bitcoin-dev
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:26:17 -0400 From: hurricanewa...@aol.com To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes by closing port 8333 via a hidden firewall in the cable box Message-ID: <14f864c1631-3abb-a...@webprd-a67

Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes by closing port 8333 via a hidden firewall in the cable box

2015-08-31 Thread James Hilliard via bitcoin-dev
You should tell AT&T that you want the DVR/cable box put into what is usually referred to as "bridge mode" or sometimes "true bridge mode" depending on your ISP and then use your own router, look under "Bridged Mode" at the bottom of this page for AT&T http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=23697 . You

Re: [bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes by closing port 8333 via a hidden firewall in the cable box

2015-08-31 Thread Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev
I have been struggling to get port 8333 open all year, After hours of phone calls and messaging AT&T finally told me the truth of what was going on, I went through this Comcast involving another port. When they blocked the port I asked them the reason (I referenced their privacy policy that

[bitcoin-dev] AT&T has effectively banned Bitcoin nodes by closing port 8333 via a hidden firewall in the cable box

2015-08-31 Thread Zach G via bitcoin-dev
I have been struggling to get port 8333 open all year, I gave up and was using blockchain for months despite a strong desire to stay on Bitcoin Core, but now the issue has reached critical mass since I'm using the python Bitcoin server module. I have literally spent my entire day trying to open

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev
> Bitcoin is a decentralized currency which allows any person the ability to transact in a way that does not require specific trust in any particular party. Bitcoin is only a partial solution to the Byzantine general problem. Users do need to trust that things such as mining and development

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread s7r via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Decentralization depends on the context and does not have a definition in a form that it was demanded... I can confirm we have people in our community which do understand decentralization, and quite good actually, just there is no definition if the f

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Disable digests on bitcoin-dev

2015-08-31 Thread Augusto Radtke via bitcoin-dev
Indeed, for an occasional reader perspective, nightmarish. List signature also a bit annoying but it's possible to live with it. On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Warren Togami Jr. via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hi folks, > > I think we should agree to disable the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Peter R via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-08-31, at 2:24 PM, Allen Piscitello via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Even so, decentralization is a means to an end - not an end-goal. It is > essential for Bitcoin to be a useful alternative, of course. I agree. What about decentralization in development? Gavin recently said that he wants

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Justus Ranvier via bitcoin-dev
On 08/31/2015 05:53 PM, Monarch wrote: > > Bitcoin is a decentralized currency which allows any person the > ability to transact in a way that does not require specific trust in > any particular party. Users can independently verify that > transactions they receive are valid and confirmed, with s

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-08-31 21:54, Justus Ranvier wrote: You keep using the word "decentralized" without explaining (and most likely, understanding) what it means. Decentralization is a ubiquitous term within the Bitcoin, and the definition is by no measure new or often confused. It is realizing that syst

[bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Disable digests on bitcoin-dev

2015-08-31 Thread Warren Togami Jr. via bitcoin-dev
Hi folks, I think we should agree to disable the ability to subscribe with digests on bitcoin-dev list. I think digests were from an earlier era of Internet history. Digests are inconvenient for everyone because replies have the problem of breaking threads.These days people should be setting

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Justus Ranvier via bitcoin-dev
On 08/31/2015 04:42 PM, Monarch wrote: > The justification for the existence of Bitcoins hinges on it. What is > described in the whitepaper is a system without the trust of third > parties to process electronic payments, this can not exist without > decentralization. Absent any unforseen revelat

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-08-31 21:24, Allen Piscitello wrote: Even so, decentralization is a means to an end - not an end-goal.  It is essential for Bitcoin to be a useful alternative, of course. The justification for the existence of Bitcoins hinges on it. What is described in the whitepaper is a system with

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Allen Piscitello via bitcoin-dev
Even so, decentralization is a means to an end - not an end-goal. It is essential for Bitcoin to be a useful alternative, of course. On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Monarch via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > On 2015-08-31 20:27, Justus Ranvier wrote: > >> You don'

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-08-31 20:27, Justus Ranvier wrote: You don't understand what value proof of work provides, or what features differentiate good money from poor money, and you can't make a defensible statement of Bitcoin's value proposition. Because you can't do these things, you assume nobody else can d

Re: [bitcoin-dev] bitcoin-dev Digest, Vol 3, Issue 240

2015-08-31 Thread William Miller via bitcoin-dev
ly that: 1. Bitcoin is decentralised 2. Nobody should modify the code in certain ways without the agreement of me and my buddies is just doublethink. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/attachments

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Justus Ranvier via bitcoin-dev
On 08/31/2015 03:06 PM, Monarch via bitcoin-dev wrote: > What is Bitcoin if not decentralized? > > Bitcoin the most awkward, unprivate and damaging currencies ever > created. It is terribly slow for general use, and it is very > difficult for users to get over the technical hurdles required to us

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Monarch via bitcoin-dev
On 2015-08-31 19:11, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev wrote: I think your summary of what people actually want from decentralisation is pretty good, Justus. I don't believe that any Bitcoin user actually cares about decentralization, because none of them I've asked can define that term. +1 Insight

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev
I think your summary of what people actually want from decentralisation is pretty good, Justus. > I don't believe that any Bitcoin user actually cares > about decentralization, because none of them I've asked can define that > term. > +1 Insightful It's been quite impressive to see so many Bitc

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Your Gmaxwell exchange

2015-08-31 Thread Justus Ranvier via bitcoin-dev
On 08/30/2015 01:38 AM, Adam Ritter via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Still, it doesn't have anything that is practical for me as an user of > the Bitcoin network (I use it for storing long-term purchase value, as > most of the people who I know): it doesn't help me if I still need to > pay transaction fees

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Consensus based block size retargeting algorithm (draft)

2015-08-31 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
Jorge Timón 於 2015-08-30 14:56 寫到: On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 7:13 PM, wrote: This is based on the assumption that miners would always like to use up the last byte of the available block size. However, this is just not true: 1. The 6 year blockchain history has shown that most miners have a so

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship

2015-08-31 Thread Zach G via bitcoin-dev
Yup I've been looking over twister thoroughly this week, it's very close to what I'm thinking and I'm sure the developer of that could easily do the project I'm doing. However he decided to make an alt coin and didn't use the real blockchain, which makes his network weak. It's a waste to not tak

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Short review of previously-proposed exotic SIGHASH types

2015-08-31 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev 於 2015-08-30 14:56 寫到: SIGHASH_WITHOUT_PREV_SCRIPTPUBKEY SIGHASH_WITHOUT_PREV_VALUE SIGHASH_WITHOUT_INPUT_TXID SIGHASH_WITHOUT_INPUT_INDEX SIGHASH_WITHOUT_INPUT_SEQUENCE SIGHASH_WITHOUT_OUTPUT_SCRIPTPUBKEY SIGHASH_WITHOUT_OUTPUT_VALUE SIGHASH_WITHOUT_INPUTS SIGHASH_

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship

2015-08-31 Thread Zach G via bitcoin-dev
The de-centralized forum directly integrates the Bitcoin blockchain with every post. I can see how you misunderstood since I wasn't specific in my first email. I'm surprised no one has done this yet, people have done things very similar but never took the leap to integrate the actual Bitcoin blo

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship

2015-08-31 Thread Natanael via bitcoin-dev
One last comment here on this topic; For anybody who wants to discuss decentralized communication mechanisms in general, they can come to www.reddit.com/r/p2pcomms (up until these decentralized forums have become stable and common). I've seen quite a few more of these projects lately, I want to m

Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIPS proposal for implementing AML-KYC in bitcoin

2015-08-31 Thread prabhat via bitcoin-dev
Thanks for nice decentralized discussion. This wasn't and isn't a parody. Mining is insecure (for society) and security is passive. All the raised points are proven by esteemed members themselves. Closing from my side. Thanks, God Bless, Bye Prabhat Kumar Singh On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 6:17 PM,

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship

2015-08-31 Thread NxtChg via bitcoin-dev
>This is a technical list dedicated to technical discussions revolving around >the bitcoin protocol and related technologies. I am so sorry. I thought this was XT list :) Apologies to everyone. ___ bitcoin-dev mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoun

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship

2015-08-31 Thread Wladimir J. van der Laan via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 01:03:33PM -0500, sisadm101--- via bitcoin-dev wrote: > is from a one sided point of view? There doesn't seem to be a solution at > this time, but I find it dissapointing that many (in this very email list) Please, this has drifted so far from the goal of this list: bitcoi

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship

2015-08-31 Thread Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:49 AM, NxtChg wrote: >>While this topic is very interesting, I do not see how it is >>relevant to a mailing list dedicated to technical and academic debate. >>Please can you take this discussion elsewhere. > > Wow. I have Deja Vu. Where have I heard recently that discuss

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship

2015-08-31 Thread NxtChg via bitcoin-dev
>...so people posting to it will always have a venue to speak without being >censored. So is the attacker, who aims to make the place unusable. ___ bitcoin-dev mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailma

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship

2015-08-31 Thread NxtChg via bitcoin-dev
>While this topic is very interesting, I do not see how it is >relevant to a mailing list dedicated to technical and academic debate. >Please can you take this discussion elsewhere. Wow. I have Deja Vu. Where have I heard recently that discussing Bitcoin split is off topic and must be stopped?

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship

2015-08-31 Thread Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev
While this topic is very interesting, I do not see how it is relevant to a mailing list dedicated to technical and academic debate. Please can you take this discussion elsewhere. On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Zach G via bitcoin-dev wrote: > When I say de-centralized I mean it, all the things

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship

2015-08-31 Thread Zach G via bitcoin-dev
When I say de-centralized I mean it, all the things you listed are centralized. Reddit is actually a purely centralized system and just as unhealthy as the current bitcoin forum. We have the technology, I'm simply putting together the pieces that other people have already built. This forum wi

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship

2015-08-31 Thread NxtChg via bitcoin-dev
>I am creating a de-centralized forum, and I mean truly decentralized as I nor >anyone else will be able to control it. Zander is working on the same thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/AetheralResearch/ But it's actually quite difficult to make it truly censorship-resistant: both in solving the t