Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-25 Thread Martin Morgan
On 07/23/2014 09:59 PM, Leonardo Collado Torres wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Martin Morgan wrote: On 07/23/2014 06:41 PM, Leonardo Collado Torres wrote: Finally, regarding the issue of pushing new features to devel versions (and not release), I understand the reasons for doing so.

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-24 Thread Dan Tenenbaum
- Original Message - > From: "Leonardo Collado Torres" > To: bioc-devel@r-project.org > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:41:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package > websites > > > Date: Wed, 23 Jul 20

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-24 Thread Henrik Bengtsson
>>>> Andrzej >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 6:26 PM, James W. MacDonald >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given that we have an

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-24 Thread Hervé Pagès
ulian Gehring" To: "Hervé Pagès" , "Michael Lawrence" , "Vincent Carey" Cc: bioc-devel@r-project.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:07:29 AM Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites Hi, Tooltips that appear while hovering o

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-24 Thread Henrik Bengtsson
Lite(). >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7/22/2014 11:48 AM, Dan Tenenbaum wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-23 Thread Leonardo Collado Torres
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Martin Morgan wrote: > On 07/23/2014 06:41 PM, Leonardo Collado Torres wrote: >> >> Finally, regarding the issue of pushing new features to devel versions >> (and not release), I understand the reasons for doing so. In my case, >> what I have been trying to do to

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-23 Thread Martin Morgan
On 07/23/2014 06:41 PM, Leonardo Collado Torres wrote: Finally, regarding the issue of pushing new features to devel versions (and not release), I understand the reasons for doing so. In my case, what I have been trying to do to minimize major differences between the versions is to keep working o

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-23 Thread Leonardo Collado Torres
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:33:44 -0700 > From: Martin Morgan > To: Matthew McCall , Michael Lawrence > > Cc: "bioc-devel@r-project.org" > Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel > package websites > Message-ID: <53d00

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-23 Thread Hervé Pagès
bioc-devel@r-project.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:07:29 AM Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites Hi, Tooltips that appear while hovering over selected links are easy to miss. This alone will likely not be clear enough. We should convey the infor

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-23 Thread Martin Morgan
until after BioC2014. Dan - Original Message - From: "Julian Gehring" To: "Hervé Pagès" , "Michael Lawrence" < lawrence.mich...@gene.com>, "Vincent Carey" Cc: bioc-devel@r-project.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:07:29 AM Subject: Re: [

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-23 Thread Martin Morgan
ng" To: "Hervé Pagès" , "Michael Lawrence" < lawrence.mich...@gene.com>, "Vincent Carey" Cc: bioc-devel@r-project.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:07:29 AM Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites Hi, Tooltips

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Martin Morgan
On 07/22/2014 06:17 PM, Vincent Carey wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Andrzej OleÅ› wrote: Hi Dan, Michael, Julian, Thank's for keeping the links to the tarballs! I don't argue that mixing release and devel is a good idea in general. Rather, that for some users this might be the best

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Vincent Carey
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Andrzej Oleś wrote: > Hi Dan, Michael, Julian, > > Thank's for keeping the links to the tarballs! > > I don't argue that mixing release and devel is a good idea in general. > Rather, that for some users this might be the best compromise between > the following tw

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Andrzej Oleś
Hi Dan, Michael, Julian, Thank's for keeping the links to the tarballs! I don't argue that mixing release and devel is a good idea in general. Rather, that for some users this might be the best compromise between the following two objectives: 1. a stable working environment 2. the possibility to

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Andrzej Oleś
Hi Martin, thank you! On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Martin Morgan wrote: > We might tell google not to index devel packages (but then packages added > during a particular release cycle aren't indexed until the next release). This adds to the complexity and I'm not sure how hard this would be

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Andrzej Oleś
look >>>> more >>>> different from each other, but I think something needs to be done about >>>> the >>>> second problem as well. Perhaps a popup that comes up when you click on >>>> a >>>> package tarball saying "The best

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Julian Gehring
Hi Andzrej, thank you, I see your point but I'm afraid I must disagree with you. I've had this situation numerous times that I have added/fixed something in the devel branch of a package and had to advice the users to use this latest version. Needless to say, they were typically using the release b

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Michael Lawrence
Best, > Andrzej > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Dan Tenenbaum wrote: > > > > > > - Original Message - > >> From: "James W. MacDonald" > >> To: "Andrzej Oleś" > >> Cc: "Dan Tenenbaum" , "Juli

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Gabe Becker
> > Best, > Andrzej > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Dan Tenenbaum wrote: > > > > > > - Original Message - > >> From: "James W. MacDonald" > >> To: "Andrzej Oleś" > >> Cc: "Dan Tenenbaum" , &q

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Tenenbaum
n > Best, > Andrzej > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Dan Tenenbaum > wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "James W. MacDonald" > >> To: "Andrzej Oleś" > >> Cc: "Dan Tenenbaum" , &quo

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Andrzej Oleś
Cc: "Dan Tenenbaum" , "Julian Gehring" >> , "Michael Lawrence" >> , bioc-devel@r-project.org >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:51:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package >> websites >> >>

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Hervé Pagès
do probably won't happen until after BioC2014. Dan - Original Message - From: "Julian Gehring" To: "Hervé Pagès" , "Michael Lawrence" , "Vincent Carey" Cc: bioc-devel@r-project.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:07:29 AM Subject: Re: [Bioc-deve

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Martin Morgan
l Lawrence" < lawrence.mich...@gene.com>, "Vincent Carey" Cc: bioc-devel@r-project.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:07:29 AM Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites Hi, Tooltips that appear while hovering over selected links are eas

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Ryan
Cc: "Dan Tenenbaum" , "Julian Gehring" , "Michael Lawrence" , bioc-devel@r-project.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:14:05 AM Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites Hi all, I think having links is useful, e.g. for someone wh

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Matthew McCall
>>> >> second problem as well. Perhaps a popup that comes up when you click >>> on a >>> >> package tarball saying "The best way to install this is with >>> biocLite(); >>> >> are you sure you want to download it?" >&g

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Michael Lawrence
; biocLite(); >> >> are you sure you want to download it?" >> >> >> >> Whatever we do probably won't happen until after BioC2014. >> >> >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >&g

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Tenenbaum
> >>> and > >>> installing from the package pages when they should be using > >>> biocLite(). > >>> > >>> I am open to the suggestions for making the release/devel pages > >>> look more > >>> different from each

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Tenenbaum
- Original Message - > From: "Matthew McCall" > To: "Michael Lawrence" > Cc: bioc-devel@r-project.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 10:49:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package > websites > >

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread James W. MacDonald
--- Original Message - From: "Julian Gehring" To: "Hervé Pagès" , "Michael Lawrence" , "Vincent Carey" Cc: bioc-devel@r-project.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:07:29 AM Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Matthew McCall
; Dan > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> > >>> From: "Julian Gehring" > >>> To: "Hervé Pagès" , "Michael Lawrence" < > >>> lawrence.mich...@gene.com>, "Vincent Carey" >

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Tenenbaum
t; >> second problem as well. Perhaps a popup that comes up when you > >> click on a > >> package tarball saying "The best way to install this is with > >> biocLite(); are > >> you sure you want to download it?" > >> > >> Wha

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Michael Lawrence
Original Message - >> >>> From: "Julian Gehring" >>> To: "Hervé Pagès" , "Michael Lawrence" < >>> lawrence.mich...@gene.com>, "Vincent Carey" >>> >>> Cc: bioc-devel@r-project.org >>&g

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Andrzej Oleś
>> >> - Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Julian Gehring" >>> To: "Hervé Pagès" , "Michael Lawrence" >>> , "Vincent Carey" >>> >>> Cc: bioc-devel@r-project.org >>> Sent: Tues

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Vincent Carey
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:50 AM, Hervé Pagès wrote: > Hi, > > In addition to these suggestions, how about using a special background > color for package landing pages in devel? > > it makes sense to do this too. > Cheers, > H. > > > On 07/21/2014 07:32 PM, Michael Lawrence wrote: > >> Or an

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Tenenbaum
- Original Message - > From: "James W. MacDonald" > To: "Dan Tenenbaum" , "Julian Gehring" > > Cc: "Michael Lawrence" , bioc-devel@r-project.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 9:26:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinctio

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread James W. MacDonald
t; , "Michael Lawrence" , "Vincent Carey" Cc: bioc-devel@r-project.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:07:29 AM Subject: Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites Hi, Tooltips that appear while hovering over selected links are easy to miss. This a

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Dan Tenenbaum
n't happen until after BioC2014. Dan - Original Message - > From: "Julian Gehring" > To: "Hervé Pagès" , "Michael Lawrence" > , "Vincent Carey" > > Cc: bioc-devel@r-project.org > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:07:29 AM

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-22 Thread Julian Gehring
Hi, Tooltips that appear while hovering over selected links are easy to miss. This alone will likely not be clear enough. We should convey the information that the entire website presents a different version of the package. The idea of a notification box that can be made visible by the in

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-21 Thread Hervé Pagès
Hi, In addition to these suggestions, how about using a special background color for package landing pages in devel? Cheers, H. On 07/21/2014 07:32 PM, Michael Lawrence wrote: Or an unobtrusive "notification box" that drops down from the top of the page, saying something like "this is devel";

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-21 Thread Michael Lawrence
Or an unobtrusive "notification box" that drops down from the top of the page, saying something like "this is devel"; there would be a dismiss button and a checkbox for whether to show again. The user is free to simply ignore it and proceed as normal. On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Vincent Ca

Re: [Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-21 Thread Vincent Carey
how about a tooltip that reads "installation via biocLite() is the recommended approach to Bioconductor software acquisition, other approaches may lead to inconsistent package-sets" that appears when a reader hovers over a tarball. i would imagine that this is how the "wrong package" gets installe

[Bioc-devel] Distinction between release and devel package websites

2014-07-21 Thread Julian Gehring
Hi, Can we make the package websites for the devel and release version of a package more distinguishable? To elaborate on this: In the past, I have seen several users having problems with using bioconductor because they ended up on the wrong page (mostly the devel page when they would have n