Re: [Bioc-devel] Request to add 'normalize' to BiocGenerics

2013-02-20 Thread Laurent Gautier
On 2013-02-20 22:02, Hervé Pagès wrote: Hi Robert, Nice to hear from you! I'm just a little bit worried that if we put normalize() in BiocGenerics without at the same time have a "take it or leave it" policy, then most of the authors of the 10 packages are likely going to ignore that there is n

Re: [Bioc-devel] Request to add 'normalize' to BiocGenerics

2013-02-20 Thread Hervé Pagès
On 02/20/2013 01:02 PM, Hervé Pagès wrote: ... Furthermore, the good citizens that modify their package to use the normalize() in BiocGenerics will be in a situation worth than before because, from an end user point of view, their normalize() function (which is now a method attached to BiocGeneri

Re: [Bioc-devel] Request to add 'normalize' to BiocGenerics

2013-02-20 Thread Hervé Pagès
Hi Robert, Nice to hear from you! I'm just a little bit worried that if we put normalize() in BiocGenerics without at the same time have a "take it or leave it" policy, then most of the authors of the 10 packages are likely going to ignore that there is now a new normalize() in BiocGenerics. The

Re: [Bioc-devel] Request to add 'normalize' to BiocGenerics

2013-02-20 Thread Robert Gentleman
my 2c worth On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Hervé Pagès wrote: > Hi, > > I agree with Laurent that we can't really play the semantic and concept > police. It's the responsibility of package authors to decide whether > it's appropriate or not to call "normalization" that particular > transformat

Re: [Bioc-devel] Request to add 'normalize' to BiocGenerics

2013-02-20 Thread cstrato
Dear all, Looking at the alphabetical list of functions/methods in BioGenerics I have the feeling that all functions are really generic, i.e. general, with the exception of function 'annotation' which in my opinion should be part of BioBase as method for one or more of the BioBase classes. T

Re: [Bioc-devel] Request to add 'normalize' to BiocGenerics

2013-02-20 Thread Wolfgang Huber
Hi Laurent, LEo there is a clash between two concepts, which seem difficult & messy to reconcile, and all I wanted to do with my initial post was to spur an explicit discussion and awareness of this, rather than just doing it implicitly. Not yet sure if that is going to be productive. 1. packa

Re: [Bioc-devel] Request to add 'normalize' to BiocGenerics

2013-02-20 Thread Hervé Pagès
Hi, I agree with Laurent that we can't really play the semantic and concept police. It's the responsibility of package authors to decide whether it's appropriate or not to call "normalization" that particular transformation they're implementing. However I hope that we all agree on the following

Re: [Bioc-devel] Request to add 'normalize' to BiocGenerics

2013-02-20 Thread Laurent Gautier
On 2013-02-20 17:32, Schalkwyk, Leonard wrote: Is this not just an indication that normalize is now a poor choice of a function name? If the package authors called the functions "normalize", this means either: 1- at least some of the package authors have named a function performing an action

Re: [Bioc-devel] Request to add 'normalize' to BiocGenerics

2013-02-20 Thread Schalkwyk, Leonard
Is this not just an indication that normalize is now a poor choice of a function name? LEo On 20 Feb 2013, at 16:14, Wolfgang Huber wrote: > Hi > > is it clear that all these different functions (methods) share similar > semantics and enough (conceptually) of their interface? > > Wouldn't

Re: [Bioc-devel] Request to add 'normalize' to BiocGenerics

2013-02-20 Thread Wolfgang Huber
Hi is it clear that all these different functions (methods) share similar semantics and enough (conceptually) of their interface? Wouldn't the implication be that preemptively every possible string of characters should already be defined as a generic function in BiocGenerics? Best wish

Re: [Bioc-devel] Request to add 'normalize' to BiocGenerics

2013-02-20 Thread Laurent Gatto
On 19 February 2013 22:44, Hervé Pagès wrote: > Hi Laurent, and maintainers of packages with a normalize() function, > > > On 02/15/2013 04:28 AM, Laurent Gatto wrote: >> >> A quick (and incomplete) manual search using >> http://search.bioconductor.jp/ suggest the following usage of >> normalize: