Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-08 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Warren Kumari wri tes: > On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:26 AM, Jan Buchholz wrote: > > > Thanks @all, sorry i was out of office yesterday. I'll discuss the > > issue this week on the german Linux Tag in Berlin. > > > > What your meaning off firewalls, who looks into packets and block them > >

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-08 Thread Warren Kumari
On Jun 8, 2010, at 6:26 AM, Jan Buchholz wrote: Thanks @all, sorry i was out of office yesterday. I'll discuss the issue this week on the german Linux Tag in Berlin. What your meaning off firewalls, who looks into packets and block them if the filter don´t know a flag. Some "high security" f

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-08 Thread Jan Buchholz
Thanks @all, sorry i was out of office yesterday. I'll discuss the issue this week on the german Linux Tag in Berlin. What your meaning off firewalls, who looks into packets and block them if the filter don´t know a flag. First i´ve fixed the problem with edns no; Jan ___

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-05 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <201006060107.o5617ep4091...@drugs.dv.isc.org>, Mark Andrews writes: > > In message <4c0aad2a.4010...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes: > > On 06/05/10 07:22, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > In message<4c09c562.7030...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes: > > > > > > The resolver works. It

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-05 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4c0aad2a.4010...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes: > On 06/05/10 07:22, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message<4c09c562.7030...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes: > > > > The resolver works. It figures out that it can't make the new style > > queries and falls back to the old style que

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/05/10 07:22, Mark Andrews wrote: In message<4c09c562.7030...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes: The resolver works. It figures out that it can't make the new style queries and falls back to the old style queries. If the user is really worried they can turn off EDNS and with that DO. T

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/04/10 21:58, Paul Vixie wrote: Doug Barton writes: With my business hat on though I can see at least 2 possible use cases for DO=0. The first being related to this thread, "I can't/won't fix/remove the firewall today, I just want my resolver to work." it works. it's just slower because

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-05 Thread Joe Baptista
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > > > With my business hat on though I can see at least 2 possible use cases for > DO=0. The first being related to this thread, "I can't/won't fix/remove the > firewall today, I just want my resolver to work." The hapless user in that > spot is

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-05 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <4c09c562.7030...@dougbarton.us>, Doug Barton writes: > > Ok, so my guess as to ISC's motivations was pretty much on the mark, and > speaking with my "Guy who loves the Internet and wants to see things > work better for everybody" hat on, I am totally in agreement. That's why > I sa

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Evan Hunt
> The DO bit is always set whenever the server includes an EDNS OPT RR > (I thought it was based on the specification, but don't remember which > sentence of which RFC says so). I was taken aback to read this, because I remembered seeing code in named that clears the DO bit if "dnssec-enable" is "

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Paul Vixie
Doug Barton writes: > On 06/04/10 19:40, Paul Vixie wrote: >> ... >> >> unless a new IETF RFC comes along and disambiguates the meaning of "DO" >> such that it's only to be set if the requestor thinks it has a >> reasonable shot at validating the resulting metadata, i expect BIND to >> keep sett

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/04/10 19:40, Paul Vixie wrote: Doug Barton writes: I have a guess at why ISC would want to enable it by default, and even in the presence of an option to turn it off I'm still Ok with that default. But if it's not a standards requirement to have it on, giving the admin a choice would be

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Paul Vixie
Doug Barton writes: > I have a guess at why ISC would want to enable it by default, and even in > the presence of an option to turn it off I'm still Ok with that default. > But if it's not a standards requirement to have it on, giving the admin a > choice would be a welcome thing. this was, as y

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/04/10 11:19, JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉 wrote: The DO bit is always set whenever the server includes an EDNS OPT RR (I thought it was based on the specification, but don't remember which sentence of which RFC says so). Given that concern about whether or not it's a good idea to always send DO=

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Evan Hunt
> First, dns-validation is 'off' by default in all BIND versions. It's > dnssec-enable that started defaulting to 'yes'. Correct in the sense that there are no configured trust anchors, so validation doesn't happen. Incorrect in the sense that the "dnssec-validation" option *is* turned on by defa

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread JINMEI Tatuya / 神明達哉
At Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:50:26 +0200, Jan Buchholz <96de...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> how i can disable dnssec in the bind resolver ? My firewall don´t let > >> packets with D0 flag through. I´ve tried 'dnssec-enable no;' , but > >> this don´t fix the problem. > > > > I believe that only disables *

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Alan Clegg
On 6/4/2010 1:52 PM, R. Kevin Oberman wrote: > First, dns-validation is 'off' by default in all BIND versions. It's > dnssec-enable that started defaulting to 'yes'. No, it isn't. The only reason that dnssec-validation appears "off" is that without trust anchors, it doesn't do anything. Insert

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread R. Kevin Oberman
Date: Friday, Jun 4, 2010 9:20 am Subject: Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver To: Evan Hunt CC: bind-users@lists.isc.org On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Evan Hunt wrote: > I'm pretty sure "dnssec-enable no" does suppress the DO bit. If it doesn't, that's probably a bug. Yeah,

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Evan Hunt
> >If it doesn't, though, try "edns no". You can't have a DO bit if you > >don't have a place to put one. > > This seems a bit like "my left leg hurts, so i stabbed my right leg". Exactly. Now you aren't lopsided. -- Evan Hunt -- e...@isc.org Internet Systems Consortium, Inc.

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Evan Hunt wrote: I'm pretty sure "dnssec-enable no" does suppress the DO bit. If it doesn't, that's probably a bug. Yeah, I thought the default changed when all those NAT routers proved buggy. If it doesn't, though, try "edns no". You can't have a DO bit if you don't ha

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Evan Hunt
On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 05:36:21PM +0200, Jan Buchholz wrote: > i mean the parameter is the default. Actually, since 9.5.0, the default has been "dnssec-validation yes". (Note, however, that DNSSEC validation doesn't occur unless the resolver has a trust anchor configured. So you there has to be

RE: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Lightner, Jeff
tner, Jeff Cc: bind-users@lists.isc.org Subject: Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver i mean the parameter is the default. my problem is, if a client want to resolve a ip-address from my bind-server, the resolver set for some domains the D0 flag for the question. And this behaviour don´t like m

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Jan Buchholz
e way you expect or you wouldn't have asked. > > -Original Message- > From: bind-users-bounces+jlightner=water@lists.isc.org > [mailto:bind-users-bounces+jlightner=water@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of > Jan Buchholz > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:50 AM > To: Paul Wo

RE: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Lightner, Jeff
sers@lists.isc.org Subject: Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver 2010/6/4 Paul Wouters : > On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Jan Buchholz wrote: > >> how i can disable dnssec in the bind resolver ? My firewall don´t let >> packets with D0 flag through. I´ve tried 'dnssec-enable no;' ,

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Jan Buchholz
2010/6/4 Paul Wouters : > On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Jan Buchholz wrote: > >> how i can disable dnssec in the bind resolver ? My firewall don´t let >> packets with D0 flag through. I´ve tried 'dnssec-enable no;' , but >> this don´t fix the problem. > > I believe that only disables *serving* DNSSEC records

Re: disable dnssec in bind resolver

2010-06-04 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Jan Buchholz wrote: how i can disable dnssec in the bind resolver ? My firewall don´t let packets with D0 flag through. I´ve tried 'dnssec-enable no;' , but this don´t fix the problem. I believe that only disables *serving* DNSSEC records. I think you want 'dnssec-validati